Take a Side: To Fire or Not to Fire? (Poll)

[OrangeBlood]

Exactly my point. We're not going to be able to upgrade our coaching staff, if we can't pay them. And right now, there doesn't seem to be a willingness on using the new ACC money on upgrading salaries. Hell, word is they are looking at reducing salaries in the non-revenue generating sports. If you're looking that deep, then it will be a while before football salaries go up significantly enough to move the coaching dial.

I think for football which is so important in terms of money they would spend. Especially because they have seen how bad things can get and fear that happening again. Even with limited funds we could upgrade. Shafer was MAC HC candidate with no HC expirence. We could get someone for similar price who has a much more complete resume. Especially offensively.

 

[Chip]

It would be an injustice if Shafer didn't get 4 years. Good luck finding another coach that knows he has two years to compete. It's just not appealing, and the school will not fund a sure thing. They should be allocating more money for proven assistants at the very least.

Stanford pulled it off.

The head coach will get a 5 year deal, which helps soften the blow of thinking he's out after 2 years. But he would also know the situation. Guy came in, turned it around, left, one of his assistants was hired, who wasn't ready and had ruined the progress. The new coach won't be the guy following the guy, he'll be the guy following the guy who unsuccessfully followed the guy. That's the situation most of these guys want.

 

[Millhouse]

Stanford pulled it off.

The head coach will get a 5 year deal, which helps soften the blow of thinking he's out after 2 years. But he would also know the situation. Guy came in, turned it around, left, one of his assistants was hired, who wasn't ready and had ruined the progress. The new coach won't be the guy following the guy, he'll be the guy following the guy who unsuccessfully followed the guy. That's the situation most of these guys want.

it only makes sense that guys who get promoted from within get a shorter leash.

 

[Chip]

it only makes sense that guys who get promoted from within get a shorter leash.

And since they should have been a cheaper option, they should have a cheaper buyout. It's a huge risk that you need to be able to easily unwind once you know it wasn't the right call.

 

[OrangeBlood]

it only makes sense that guys who get promoted from within get a shorter leash.

And since they should have been a cheaper option, they should have a cheaper buyout. It's a huge risk that you need to be able to easily unwind once you know it wasn't the right call.

Really good logic here. The more it's talked about the more I can't be behind Shafer coming back.

 

[Scooch]

It would be an injustice if Shafer didn't get 4 years. Good luck finding another coach that knows he has two years to compete. It's just not appealing, and the school will not fund a sure thing. They should be allocating more money for proven assistants at the very least.

An "injustice"?

:bang:

It's football, it's not about being "just". If a coach wants a P5 gig and we throw enough money and him and his staff he won't give a rat's ass about how we treated his predecessor. These guys are megalomaniacs, anyway.

I wouldn't fire the guy after this season, but I would certainly understand if they did. And if the circumstances warrant him being fired after next season then that's fine too.

No one is owed four years. Especially someone who's hiring was solely about preserving continuity.

 

[KaiserUEO]

An "injustice"?

:bang:

It's football, it's not about being "just". If a coach wants a P5 gig and we throw enough money and him and his staff he won't give a rat's ass about how we treated his predecessor. These guys are megalomaniacs, anyway.

I wouldn't fire the guy after this season, but I would certainly understand if they did. And if the circumstances warrant him being fired after next season then that's fine too.

No one is owed four years. Especially someone who's hiring was solely about preserving continuity.

is now a good time to state that Syracuse fired P after a BE title and a bowl game birth??

or should i wait??...

 

[Millhouse]

is now a good time to state that Syracuse fired P after a BE title and a bowl game birth??

or should i wait??...

i'll be the first one to acknowledge that was a poorly timed mistake

should've happened well before that

 

[Alsacs]

Keeping the guy means your praying for 6 wins. I think SS is an honorable man, but I don't see our trajectory being more than 6-6 or 7-5 with his offensive philosophy. Doug Marrone rebuilt the program for hell I don't want that again. If people honestly think a Scott Shafer Syracuse team could be a top half offensive team I would love to hear it how.

We aren't beating LSU or Florida State next year. We have Watson/Clemson coming to the Dome, @ Louisville with another season under Petrino will be hard.

Can we win six of CMU, URI, @USF, @UVA, @NCSU, Wake, BC, Pitt? Going 6-2 in these games is possible, but I don't expect our offense to be much better. Hickey/Trudo will be gone and our OL won't be as good. A.J. Long has shown some potential, but not enough to feel he can lead the team to 6 wins. Our defense loses Crume, Lynch, Davis, Reddish, and probably Eskridge. If we make a coaching change the new staff gets next year as a honeymoon to develop an offense for 2016. If we keep Scott Shafer and don't get to a bowl then 2014, 2015, 2016 will have all wasted what we did in 2012, and the Doug Marrone ERA.

 

[NKR1978]

EVERYONE seems to be forgetting marrones second year, give the guy a chance to figure it out our defense has been fer the most part great all year if we had even a good not great offense we'd be bowl eligible this year

Marrone's 2nd year when he went 8-5 and beat KSU in the Pinstripe Bowl?

Or do you mean the 5-7 year 3 when we still managed to have some excitement by crushing Orange Bowl winning WVU?

 

[NKR1978]

Being in the ACC hasn't helped Wake too much has it? IMO, recruiting isn't about the conference, it's about the school and the coaching staff. Right now our school doesn't have a great name for itself in football to the younger generation not familiar with the history. So relying on the staff is imperative.

Don't think for a second that without Saban and his staff that Bama would recruit as well as they have. Remember how great Bama recruited before Saban got there? Their recruiting was average and they were still Alablama and still in the SEC. Kids want to win and will follow coaches who win regardless of how big an a$$hole they are.

Even Wake has an ACCCG win and they fired the guy who got it for them because he was slipping. And they paid market price for a successful MAC head coach.

 

[Nicknack]

I don't think what happened this year should be grounds to fire Shafer (with the ridiculous amount of key injuries). I believe he should get one more year because next season will be very telling as far as what direction the program is heading. With that all being said, I'm not 100% on that when I reflect on his decision making to hire McDonald and now as a result, Lester, who may not be that much of an upgrade. Who you hire, as a coach, is absolutely huge. I'm concerned, very concerned, about our ability to do what we need to on offense to be successful with the coaching we have in place and that falls squarely on Shafer.

 

[Moontan]

Hickey/Trudo will be gone

Trudo should be back. He still has a year of eligibility left.