Take away the bubble screens and hunt had a great passing day

[Millhouse]

McDonald wrecks his passing numbers by calling 10 worthless screens killing ypa. His rating was 125 or so, I think but we have to curve it up. It's not his fault McDonald doesn't get what bubbles are actually for. Hunt was great on real passes today

 

[tep624]

McDonald wrecks his passing numbers by calling 10 worthless screens killing ypa. His rating was 125 or so, I think but we have to curve it up. It's not his fault McDonald doesn't get what bubbles are actually for. Hunt was great on real passes today

And he was great on the ground too.

With a few long balls in there, it would have been a McNabb like performance.

 

[anomander]

McDonald wrecks his passing numbers by calling 10 worthless screens killing ypa. His rating was 125 or so, I think but we have to curve it up. It's not his fault McDonald doesn't get what bubbles are actually for. Hunt was great on real passes today

It seems so obvious. You would think he would pick this up watching film. We are so good when we go forward.

 

[GoSU96]

Fit the ball in some very tight windows. Some impressive throws. To be a real great day passing he needs to be at 240 for that number of attempts, not 175.

That one pure QB draw in the middle of the field McNabb would have scored on but it was still a good play.

 

[Millhouse]

Fit the ball in some very tight windows. Some impressive throws. To be a real great day passing he needs to be at 240 for that number of attempts, not 175. That one pure QB draw in the middle of the field McNabb would have scored on but it was still a good play.

My point is that he had 30 attempts but he didn't really have 30 attempts. Throw out 6 to 10 worthless passes and keep most of the yards and it's a 140 or 150 rating day rather than 125 (estimating here)

 

[TheCusian]

A lot of those inside throws and runs are built off of the threat of the screen game. It's all apart of the whole.

 

[TheCusian]

My point is that he had 30 attempts but he didn't really have 30 attempts. Throw out 6 to 10 worthless passes and keep most of the yards and it's a 140 or 150 rating day rather than 125 (estimating here)

Not sure why passing rating matters at all?

Also, by my unofficial count over 2/3 went for more than 3 yards. If you look at it as a run, like McDonald said - you take 3-4 yards a down any day. Especially if it sets up other elements of our offense. Which it did today - unlike last game...

 

[crales44]

Yes, won't someone please take away the bubble screens? Think of the children.

 

[OttoMets]

It seems so obvious. You would think he would pick this up watching film. We are so good when we go forward.

Maybe Shafer's going to assign Lester to hold his hand earlier this season.

 

[Toga]

Like I said in an earlier thread - it's amazing how the passing game improves when the plays don't involve a receiver standing waiting for the ball and a block. Hitting someone on the move does wonders!

 

[Millhouse]

A lot of those inside throws and runs are built off of the threat of the screen game. It's all apart of the whole.

Baloney

Other teams have success with bubble screens because they only throw them when they're gifts.

Stop wasting series setting something up. If they're overplaying the bubble from the get go you don't need to set anything up

 

[Millhouse]

Not sure why passing rating matters at all? Also, by my unofficial count over 2/3 went for more than 3 yards. If you look at it as a run, like McDonald said - you take 3-4 yards a down any day. Especially if it sets up other elements of our offense. Which it did today - unlike last game...

It only matters about judging you passer. Hunt is a better passer than the stat shows because of all those wasted throws

 

[Millhouse]

Not sure why passing rating matters at all? Also, by my unofficial count over 2/3 went for more than 3 yards. If you look at it as a run, like McDonald said - you take 3-4 yards a down any day. Especially if it sets up other elements of our offense. Which it did today - unlike last game...

3 yards a carry blows @ss

 

[GoSU96]

3 yards a carry blows @ss

Good run offense is at least 4.5, and a 1 yd pass really blows.

 

[TheCusian]

It only matters about judging you passer. Hunt is a better passer than the stat shows because of all those wasted throws

Right - my point is: wasted throws that get 3-4 yards are not wasted throws. You sacrifice numbers for the game plan and overall strategy.

 

[TheCusian]

Baloney Other teams have success with bubble screens because they only throw them when they're gifts. Stop wasting series setting something up. If they're overplaying the bubble from the get go you don't need to set anything up

3-4 yards a bubble is the gift they want and proves they weren't over playing from the get go. A slow bleed designed to pull corners in to allow slants in the middle.

All schools use bread and butter plays, put them on film, and then design plays off of them. NFL, CFB, HS. It's been at staple for as long as football has existed. Isn't that what play action is?

The "we throw too many bubbles" is a dumb meme, far from black and white - sometimes it's the right call and sometimes it's not. It's also a read at the line - so Hunt is calling for it most of the time...

 

[TheCusian]

Good run offense is at least 4.5, and a 1 yd pass really blows.

We had an 11 yard bubble and averaged over 4.5 on the ground. I'd say - a good day overall .

 

[SWC75]

It seems to me downfield plays ought to set the bubble up, not the other way around.

And it would help Hunt if we sent somebody other than Broyld or West on fly patterns.

 

[TheCusian]

It seems to me downfield plays ought to set the bubble up, not the other way around. And it would help Hunt if we sent somebody other than Broyld or West on fly patterns.

I think it's a read based on where the CB's lineup. Take it if they give it to you. I think if the CB's are up - it's ip to the WR to get downfield and open. And that's the thing that our WR's may not be great at - yet.

 

[RF2044]

What I don't get is why we set up the bubble screens so poorly compared to other teams. Every game I watch, teams throw bubbles of various design, often out of multi-wide receiver sets, and the other WRs end up tying up the outside defensive backs to spring the receiver for YAC. Happens to us all the time.

But when we throw them, the defensive backs seem to converge quickly on our receiver--almost like we don't tie them up at all. And if we get positive gains out of the play, it is generally on the part of individual effort of the runner more than solid blocking.

Frustrating, since it is a staple in our offense.

 

[supp]

It seems to me downfield plays ought to set the bubble up, not the other way around.

And it would help Hunt if we sent somebody other than Broyld or West on fly patterns.

How many passes more than 20 yards downfield? I saw only the one to Broyld. That's a heck of a lot of bubble screens for one throw down the field.

 

[supp]

McDonald wrecks his passing numbers by calling 10 worthless screens killing ypa. His rating was 125 or so, I think but we have to curve it up. It's not his fault McDonald doesn't get what bubbles are actually for. Hunt was great on real passes today

Watching the UCLA-Texas game and thinking we could do better than the N-Zone.

 

[SWC75]

What I don't get is why we set up the bubble screens so poorly compared to other teams. Every game I watch, teams throw bubbles of various design, often out of multi-wide receiver sets, and the other WRs end up tying up the outside defensive backs to spring the receiver for YAC. Happens to us all the time.

But when we throw them, the defensive backs seem to converge quickly on our receiver--almost like we don't tie them up at all. And if we get positive gains out of the play, it is generally on the part of individual effort of the runner more than solid blocking.

Frustrating, since it is a staple in our offense.

On the one that killed our first drive, there were two blockers out front. They blocked air and then looked at each other while Fleming got creamed. And it must have been a backwards pass because ESPN lists it a run by Fleming.

 

[Millhouse]

How many passes more than 20 yards downfield? I saw only the one to Broyld. That's a heck of a lot of bubble screens for one throw down the field.

I'm convinced they still don't believe in hunt and the screens are just ways to complete passes to the twenty wr. Against good teams let him try

This set up stuff is a send up

 

[supp]

What I don't get is why we set up the bubble screens so poorly compared to other teams. Every game I watch, teams throw bubbles of various design, often out of multi-wide receiver sets, and the other WRs end up tying up the outside defensive backs to spring the receiver for YAC. Happens to us all the time.

But when we throw them, the defensive backs seem to converge quickly on our receiver--almost like we don't tie them up at all. And if we get positive gains out of the play, it is generally on the part of individual effort of the runner more than solid blocking.

Frustrating, since it is a staple in our offense.

Endless number of formations to run the same play. Half of them seem to rely on trickery rather than having receivers hold blocks on the perimeter, which are also easier said than done. Problem is that no one's fooled.