Take away the bubble screens and hunt had a great passing day

[djcon57]

Serious questions...What has been the most successful WR screen in the 1st 2 games?

10 yards? I get the appeal of the play, but we don't have the talent at WR to pull it off. Honestly, we're not that close.

 

[djcon57]

Good run offense is at least 4.5, and a 1 yd pass really blows.

Not only a 1yd pass, but a 1 yd pass that occasionally go backwards and could be a fumble.

Why the risk for such a little reward?

 

[supp]

I'm convinced they still don't believe in hunt and the screens are just ways to complete passes to the twenty wr. Against good teams let him try

This set up stuff is a send up

Slants, curls, and wheel routes were effective. I think you're right in that the bubble screens allow you to play a dozen guys at receiver. Harder to get timing down when you're substituting that much. I'm not sure it's doing Hunt any favors. What's gained in freshness is lost in continuity.

 

[Toga]

Our bubble screens seem to be made to receivers who are standing - not moving. Passes which are lateral or behind the line are extremely high risk and low reward.

 

[WickedOrange]

Just once, i would like the press to ask about the bubble screen and its role in the offense, in the pre/post game press conference.

 

[SWC75]

Just once, i would like the press to ask about the bubble screen and its role in the offense, in the pre/post game press conference.

From The Scott Shafer Show:

Regarding the Bubble Screen, (the BS?): “It’s been in the advent for 10-12 years. It’s another way of looking at a defense vs. the run. It’s along outside zone play we use rather than the toss sweep. It’s supposed to be caught behind the line to set up the blocking. With the drive package, it’s really a form of the triple option. It’s not intended to be a backwards pass but it was thrown backwards that one time by Wilson. It’s a cat and mouse game about where the numbers are and aren’t. You have to roll the dice. It’s helped us and it’s helped other teams. Wrap your mind around it in a different way. It’s along hand-off. A high percentage play. A strong running team doesn’t lose sleep over a no gain play. We also use ‘flash’ screens across the middle. The idea is to get 4 yards or more. It’s been good and will get better.“

 

[statsgrad]

The bubble screens are moreso setting up inside runs and QB draws than the deep ball. Every time Hunt ran a draw we only needed to block one LB because CMU was so focused on bubble screens. Hunt is shifty but he isn't Cam Newton, the middle was open every time. Yeah our yards per bubble screen stinks compared to most teams, but what is our average yards per QB draw compared to most teams?

I thought McDonald did an excellent job of making CMU defend the entire field today. They were obviously well prepared for the bubble screens but got gashed up the middle on both the run and the pass a bunch of times (notice that our running plays to the outside stunk too, not just the passes) If you start only using what worked very recently teams are going to take away the middle and then everyone will be clamoring that our qb draws and TE passes stink and that we need to run more bubble screens. Teams make adjustments, this is game theory, not a static science like physics. I'd imagine Maryland is going to make sure Hunt isn't running a whole bunch of draws and our screen game may have more success next week.

 

[SWC75]

The bubble screens are moreso setting up inside runs and QB draws than the deep ball. Every time Hunt ran a draw we only needed to block one LB because CMU was so focused on bubble screens. Hunt is shifty but he isn't Cam Newton, the middle was open every time. Yeah our yards per bubble screen stinks compared to most teams, but what is our average yards per QB draw compared to most teams?

I thought McDonald did an excellent job of making CMU defend the entire field today. They were obviously well prepared for the bubble screens but got gashed up the middle on both the run and the pass a bunch of times (notice that our running plays to the outside stunk too, not just the passes) If you start only using what worked very recently teams are going to take away the middle and then everyone will be clamoring that our qb draws and TE passes stink and that we need to run more bubble screens. Teams make adjustments, this is game theory, not a static science like physics. I'd imagine Maryland is going to make sure Hunt isn't running a whole bunch of draws and our screen game may have more success next week.

it reminds me of the near-side option in the P-D days. It seemed the point of the play, which usually got stuffed, was to draw the defense to one side of the field and up to the line of scrimmage so we could burn them on a reverse or a deep throw. We had great "skill" people who could come up with big plays. But we had a hard time generating a consistent offense and making long drives because of all the plays that went nowhere. I'd like to have an offense this is both consistent and explosive. Plays that are just designed to set up other plays don't produce that result.

 

[GoSU96]

it reminds me of the near-side option in the P-D days. It seemed the point of the play, which usually got stuffed, was to draw the defense to one side of the field and up to the line of scrimmage so we could burn them on a reverse or a deep throw. We had great "skill" people who could come up with big plays. But we had a hard time generating a consistent offense and making long drives because of all the plays that went nowhere. I'd like to have an offense this is both consistent and explosive. Plays that are just designed to set up other plays don't produce that result.

Bunk

 

[Jake]

The purpose of short side option was generally where you'd have a numbers advantage. Most defenses would have an extra defender to the wide side.

For as much as people bitched about it, we used to abuse teams on the short side option during the McPherson - Drummond, David Walker years.

When it failed however. It looked like a clusterfack call.

 

[JeremyCuse]

One play that needs to go ASAP is the one where Hunt takes off down field and then stops on a dime and fires an actual pass behind him to a RB or WR. For the love of god stop running that. Who are we Solvay?

 

[OburgOrange]

The purpose of short side option was generally where you'd have a numbers advantage. Most defenses would have an extra defender to the wide side.

For as much as people bitched about it, we used to abuse teams on the short side option during the McPherson - Drummond, David Walker years.

When it failed however. It looked like a clusterfack call.

I hated that play

 

[Franz69]

You can give me every rationale there is to run these screens, but right now all I see are wasted plays and drive killers, which won't be real helpful as we start playing better teams.

 

[TheCusian]

You can give me every rationale there is to run these screens, but right now all I see are wasted plays and drive killers, which won't be real helpful as we start playing better teams.

If it goes for 4-5 yards it's not a drive killer. On Sat over half went for 3+. 1 went for 12yds.

 

[Orangejet]

Need reverses or jet sweeps with Estime and Phillips.

 

[SWC75]

If it goes for 4-5 yards it's not a drive killer. On Sat over half went for 3+. 1 went for 12yds.

Did over half go for 4-5 yards+?

 

[TheCusian]

Did over half go for 4-5 yards+?

Not sure tried to use the play by play - but I may rewatch and chart them out. Hard to tell. Not a lot of 3 and less pass plays though.

 

[Chip]

One play that needs to go ASAP is the one where Hunt takes off down field and then stops on a dime and fires an actual pass behind him to a RB or WR. For the love of god stop running that. Who are we Solvay?

He just doesn't know how to spill the milk on the option. So he fires a backwards dart at a guy 5 feet away. It's all very awkward.