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A lot of the people here are exceptionally immature. These are kids and kids screw up. In fact these kids are put under the kind of pressure that 99.9% of the people on this message board have never experienced. I wish Fab was more mature and had his priorities in order. But he was a Sophomore in college. A Sophomore. You know how many classes I skipped my Sophomore year and didn't have to play basketball for a top 5 D-1 program. He's a victim of the system. A system that drains every ounce of cash the kids can make them and then in order to keep them unpaid, has "rules" about how they should do in their classes.

Do you know how many Sophomores do not have off-court incidents like he had this past year? Probably 99.9%.

Do you know how many Sophomores have access to the kind of resources he had to make sure he didn't fail? Probably 1%. I could forgive the kid a lot easier if he seemed to have any appreciation for the opportunity. It's not like 80% of D1 basketball players fail out their Sophomore year.

I'm still not going to wish ill upon the kid, and hopefully he gets his shot in the NBA, and matures a bit along the way, but he really couldn't have cared less while he was here. That's the issue.

If you're post was about someone who was otherwise a great kid, I'd be on board. Not so much here.
 
A lot of the people here are exceptionally immature. These are kids and kids screw up. In fact these kids are put under the kind of pressure that 99.9% of the people on this message board have never experienced. I wish Fab was more mature and had his priorities in order. But he was a Sophomore in college. A Sophomore. You know how many classes I skipped my Sophomore year and didn't have to play basketball for a top 5 D-1 program. He's a victim of the system. A system that drains every ounce of cash the kids can make them and then in order to keep them unpaid, has "rules" about how they should do in their classes.

If you want to root for a team that plays in such a corrupt system, then you're going to have to deal with this crap sometimes. This is Fab's life, not yours. If you're precious feelings can't handle or forgive a kid for what has gone down the last few months then maybe college sports are not for you.

Fab I wish you were more mature at this stage in your life but I think I understand what you went through and I even think YOU were the one that was screwed (by the system), but that's a different story. But for the fans on this message board, grow the up, none of you have my pity if you can't let a grudge go on a 19 year old kid.

First, he'll be 22 in June.

Second, most people would love to receive a free college education from a school like SU.

Third, he's had issues here for far longer than the "last few months". The turn signal incident happened last year, and he was given a second chance. He was deemed academically ineligible earlier this year, and was given a third chance. And this is to say nothing about his poor physical conditioning last year. Seems to me like he put his own priorities over those of his teammates and coaches. Maybe it's just me, but I believe in personal responsibility.
 
First, he'll be 22 in June.

Second, most people would love to receive a free college education from a school like SU.

Third, he's had issues here for far longer than the "last few months". The turn signal incident happened last year, and he was given a second chance. He was deemed academically ineligible earlier this year, and was given a third chance. And this is to say nothing about his poor physical conditioning last year. Seems to me like he put his own priorities over those of his teammates and coaches. Maybe it's just me, but I believe in personal responsibility.

I believe that his ultimate ineligibility stemmed from the first time he was ruled ineligible...meaning Fab was not granted a third chance, rather, simply allowed to play a few more games until someone, somewhere decided that the original ineligibility should be reinstated. Am I wrong in my understanding of the circumstances?

Because if that is not what happened...if Fab did indeed become ineligible somehow for a 2nd time, unrelated to and after the 1st, then I would be a little more disappointed in him...
 
SBU said:
And that was the feeling I was trying to convey. These young men have to go through a lot to entertain us and deserve our apperication whent hey do. If they fall short we should not bastphemy them for not living up to OUR expectations especially when we do not know the entire story.
A lot of the people here are exceptionally immature. These are kids and kids screw up. In fact these kids are put under the kind of pressure that 99.9% of the people on this message board have never experienced. I wish Fab was more mature and had his priorities in order. But he was a Sophomore in college. A Sophomore. You know how many classes I skipped my Sophomore year and didn't have to play basketball for a top 5 D-1 program. He's a victim of the system. A system that drains every ounce of cash the kids can make them and then in order to keep them unpaid, has "rules" about how they should do in their classes.

If you want to root for a team that plays in such a corrupt system, then you're going to have to deal with this crap sometimes. This is Fab's life, not yours. If you're precious feelings can't handle or forgive a kid for what has gone down the last few months then maybe college sports are not for you.

Fab I wish you were more mature at this stage in your life but I think I understand what you went through and I even think YOU were the one that was screwed (by the system), but that's a different story. But for the fans on this message board, grow the up, none of you have my pity if you can't let a grudge go on a 19 year old kid.

Let me guess...you're both the type who is against keeping score in Little League and wants to give everyone a trophy, right?

Cry me a freakin' river. Fabricio screwed up. He didn't do what he was supposed to do and screwed over his teammates. This isn't about the fans or their expectations for the team. This is about his teammates and coaches. He put himself over them. That's inexcusable and I'm not sorry to say I won't be thanking him.
 
Fab was at the bar Thursday, surrounded by a community rooting their asses off for the team he let down. People here are more upset at the apparent selfishness he displayed this season. Fab 100 percent let the team down this year, and I wouldnt be surprised if he doesn't think he did anything wrong.
 
To be honest if the classes where taught in Portuguese he would have passed. But that is not an excuse. Sophomore classes are passable with a 1.5gpa easily. He had all the resources at the school at his disposal. He really didn't care.
 
Did Ovcina, Janulis and Ongenaet have academic eligibility issues? As far as I'm aware, English was not any of those guys' first langauges.
Yeh but fab is from a Brazilian education system when those guys are European
 
Very few of us know anything about Fab or his recent decisions and actions.

He gave us a good year Just like everyone else.
I have a self rule to wish anyone that suits up in orange well. Even if they screw everything up like Deshaun Williams or can't play point like Josh Wright I wish them well.
 
Yeh but fab is from a Brazilian education system when those guys are European

No buts, just a poor excuse. Most people in life have obstacles/hurdles to overcome. As others have stated, he was lazy and didn't care...in a world of perception, that is the reality.
 
I get the fact that it’s easy to place 100% of the blame on Fab. It’s easy since he’s no longer here, and thus, it’s easier to blame a guy no longer with the program. But man, I’d be remiss if I didn’t get my true feelings out there on the subject, so here goes: If you’re a person responsible for maintaining a successful basketball team, or business, or charity, whatever…how do you not have a process in place to guard against such a scenario happening to threaten the success of the entire group? I just cannot understand how it got to that point, I truly don’t.

The Syracuse University basketball team is a high profile, historic organization, employing a million dollar plus coach, various other assistant coaches, various other administrative staffers in the Athletic Department, and various volunteer managers and tutors and such. Secondary people that profit from the program are many, including those who work at the Dome, local hotels, restaurants, bars, stores, ect. The budget for this organization is in the millions of dollars. The outcomes of games played and news made is reported world-wide, and can be a source of pride for the community. And the main “resources” of the organization, what makes all the wheels turn, is the talent… namely the players and coaching staff. Good coaching can elevate a team of average talent players and teach them to act as one to improve their play…but, as the saying goes, you can’t teach 7 feet tall. And as such, a 7 footer from Brazil is encouraged to move to the United States to begin playing basketball, since players with his height and athletic ability are rare, and thus, in demand. Knowing this, Syracuse targeted Fab, put major resources (time and money) in going to Florida to evaluate him, bring him to Syracuse for an official visit, ect. We battled Louisville and others for his commitment, and won.

Fast forward 2 years. All the talent is there to be as successful as any team in the country. The goal now is to coach the talent and ensure that everyone is available to help the team. Out of the many things that can cause a player to become unavailable to contribute to the team (injury, academics, drug use, behavior issues or arrest, ect) isn’t academic ineligibility the easiest to guard against? I mean, doesn’t everyone involved in the equation (coaches, player, professors, school administrators, tutors) desire for the player to do well in his classes, even if for different motivations? How are there not strict and clear processes and checks to ensure the player is doing the work and attending classes and monitoring the progress to ensure that, in even a “worst case scenario”, the player has done enough to simply pass? How do those in charge of the program not have weekly progress reports of class attendance, test results, work handed in, ect? How does it get to the point of no return? It blows my mind how there could exist a scenario where, if the player had failed the first test or two, at the very first sign of a potential problem, where there wouldn’t be a meeting between a coach, player and professor, where the professor provides an honest account of where the player is currently at and what work needs to be done for at least a passing grade. And if, at that point, the player needs to be micromanaged to the extent that he literally has a tutor move in with him and “sign off” that the player showed him all the coursework required to be completed that week or practice test results, ect, then so be it. But to allow something like academic standing (something so easily monitored, unlike what players may be up to on the weekends) to disrupt all the hard work put in by so many, is simply reckless in my mind. It would be like a bank not having a process or system of checks to make sure all their required paperwork is filed with the state or whatever to allow them to continue doing business. Could you ever see a big bank close their doors, and say “sorry, we missed a big deadline to get our applications in, and we got closed down.” No way! This stuff is too important. There are numerous processes involved, checks and balances that would raise a flag if even one required form was incomplete. And that’s how it should be.

I don’t know exactly what happened in this particular situation, but I also don’t see too many other players being held out at such a critical juncture of the season for similar reasons. Maybe other teams have better systems to ensure good academic standing? Or maybe other schools have relaxed standards? I don’t know, but I don’t care. Something failed us in this situation, and to assign 100% of the blame to Fab is to miss out on an opportunity to look at how Syracuse Basketball operates and see how we can better ensure that such a failure does not happen again. And that doesn’t mean that the player has no responsibility in this effort…doesn’t mean that at all. Of course, the main point should be that the player is wholly responsible for their academic standing…but just in case, you can sleep well at night knowing there are strict guidelines in place to monitor the situation and straighten-out any underperforming efforts to ensure the programs resources are fully available. Way too much time and money goes into getting the talent to just then leave the program’s outcome dependent on a player’s (lack of) motivation or (lack of) ability to put forth a good effort in the classroom. I know if I was responsible for the program’s well-being, and had the option to put in place guidelines or programs to force the players to do at least the minimum asked, I would bother me to no end if I did not enact such policies. There would be almost zero opportunity for some knucklehead kids to ruin all the hard work and dedication put forth by me and my staff, that’s for damn sure.

It all comes down to this: I don’t exactly count on the individual players to be 100% responsible adults, with the wisdom to fully realize what consequences come from various situations. In fact, with all the various NCAA rules and regulations, there is no chance in hell that a kid from Brazil, here on a basketball scholarship, knows the ins and outs of maintaining eligibility like a coaching staff should. Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not expecting guys like Dion, Fab, Rakeem, Mookie, ect to be as concerned with academics as the average student on campus. In my opinion, I’d want there to be complete oversight by staff members who are versed in the NCAA requirements. It’s not so much a neglect of personal responsibility…again, I’d make sure to project to the athletes how important academics are in maintaining eligibility, but to not have the staff monitoring every player’s situation and standing every other week as a backup, in case a player gets off track, is simply negligent. And I will always look to those who should know better in these situations to take some blame. I’m pretty sure that adults collecting paychecks (nice paychecks at that) should know better than some 20 year old basketball player from another country.
 
There is plenty of blame to go around. Maybe the blame lies with JB for recruiting a kid who wanted to play basketball, but apparently had no real interest in doing what it took to play basketball in the American college system.

I don't think we need to villify the kid because we really have no idea what his circumstances are/were. That said, we also don't have to celebrate his contributions to the team either, because those contributions may turn out to be that his absence on the court gets us an early dismissal from this tournament and his absence from the classroom gets us eliminated from consideration for a future tournament.
 
It's a shame the way his career played out. So much potential with no one to blame for the way it turned out but himself. My lasting memory of Fab will be in the BET when we had a small lead late in the game and Fab wound up with the ball near the top of the key, early in the shot clock and launched an ill-fated jumpshot. Next thing I see him jawing at his teammates, "I have the ball and Im going to take the shot". That perfectly captured his shortcomings on the court - zero BBall IQ and a selfish (not healthy) attitude.

I hope he gets his life in order, but if I never see him on the court again for SU, I will not be disappointed.
 
I get the fact that it’s easy to place 100% of the blame on Fab. It’s easy since he’s no longer here, and thus, it’s easier to blame a guy no longer with the program. But man, I’d be remiss if I didn’t get my true feelings out there on the subject, so here goes: If you’re a person responsible for maintaining a successful basketball team, or business, or charity, whatever…how do you not have a process in place to guard against such a scenario happening to threaten the success of the entire group? I just cannot understand how it got to that point, I truly don’t.

The Syracuse University basketball team is a high profile, historic organization, employing a million dollar plus coach, various other assistant coaches, various other administrative staffers in the Athletic Department, and various volunteer managers and tutors and such. Secondary people that profit from the program are many, including those who work at the Dome, local hotels, restaurants, bars, stores, ect. The budget for this organization is in the millions of dollars. The outcomes of games played and news made is reported world-wide, and can be a source of pride for the community. And the main “resources” of the organization, what makes all the wheels turn, is the talent… namely the players and coaching staff. Good coaching can elevate a team of average talent players and teach them to act as one to improve their play…but, as the saying goes, you can’t teach 7 feet tall. And as such, a 7 footer from Brazil is encouraged to move to the United States to begin playing basketball, since players with his height and athletic ability are rare, and thus, in demand. Knowing this, Syracuse targeted Fab, put major resources (time and money) in going to Florida to evaluate him, bring him to Syracuse for an official visit, ect. We battled Louisville and others for his commitment, and won.

Fast forward 2 years. All the talent is there to be as successful as any team in the country. The goal now is to coach the talent and ensure that everyone is available to help the team. Out of the many things that can cause a player to become unavailable to contribute to the team (injury, academics, drug use, behavior issues or arrest, ect) isn’t academic ineligibility the easiest to guard against? I mean, doesn’t everyone involved in the equation (coaches, player, professors, school administrators, tutors) desire for the player to do well in his classes, even if for different motivations? How are there not strict and clear processes and checks to ensure the player is doing the work and attending classes and monitoring the progress to ensure that, in even a “worst case scenario”, the player has done enough to simply pass? How do those in charge of the program not have weekly progress reports of class attendance, test results, work handed in, ect? How does it get to the point of no return? It blows my mind how there could exist a scenario where, if the player had failed the first test or two, at the very first sign of a potential problem, where there wouldn’t be a meeting between a coach, player and professor, where the professor provides an honest account of where the player is currently at and what work needs to be done for at least a passing grade. And if, at that point, the player needs to be micromanaged to the extent that he literally has a tutor move in with him and “sign off” that the player showed him all the coursework required to be completed that week or practice test results, ect, then so be it. But to allow something like academic standing (something so easily monitored, unlike what players may be up to on the weekends) to disrupt all the hard work put in by so many, is simply reckless in my mind. It would be like a bank not having a process or system of checks to make sure all their required paperwork is filed with the state or whatever to allow them to continue doing business. Could you ever see a big bank close their doors, and say “sorry, we missed a big deadline to get our applications in, and we got closed down.” No way! This stuff is too important. There are numerous processes involved, checks and balances that would raise a flag if even one required form was incomplete. And that’s how it should be.

I don’t know exactly what happened in this particular situation, but I also don’t see too many other players being held out at such a critical juncture of the season for similar reasons. Maybe other teams have better systems to ensure good academic standing? Or maybe other schools have relaxed standards? I don’t know, but I don’t care. Something failed us in this situation, and to assign 100% of the blame to Fab is to miss out on an opportunity to look at how Syracuse Basketball operates and see how we can better ensure that such a failure does not happen again. And that doesn’t mean that the player has no responsibility in this effort…doesn’t mean that at all. Of course, the main point should be that the player is wholly responsible for their academic standing…but just in case, you can sleep well at night knowing there are strict guidelines in place to monitor the situation and straighten-out any underperforming efforts to ensure the programs resources are fully available. Way too much time and money goes into getting the talent to just then leave the program’s outcome dependent on a player’s (lack of) motivation or (lack of) ability to put forth a good effort in the classroom. I know if I was responsible for the program’s well-being, and had the option to put in place guidelines or programs to force the players to do at least the minimum asked, I would bother me to no end if I did not enact such policies. There would be almost zero opportunity for some knucklehead kids to ruin all the hard work and dedication put forth by me and my staff, that’s for damn sure.

It all comes down to this: I don’t exactly count on the individual players to be 100% responsible adults, with the wisdom to fully realize what consequences come from various situations. In fact, with all the various NCAA rules and regulations, there is no chance in hell that a kid from Brazil, here on a basketball scholarship, knows the ins and outs of maintaining eligibility like a coaching staff should. Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not expecting guys like Dion, Fab, Rakeem, Mookie, ect to be as concerned with academics as the average student on campus. In my opinion, I’d want there to be complete oversight by staff members who are versed in the NCAA requirements. It’s not so much a neglect of personal responsibility…again, I’d make sure to project to the athletes how important academics are in maintaining eligibility, but to not have the staff monitoring every player’s situation and standing every other week as a backup, in case a player gets off track, is simply negligent. And I will always look to those who should know better in these situations to take some blame. I’m pretty sure that adults collecting paychecks (nice paychecks at that) should know better than some 20 year old basketball player from another country.

I respect the time and effort that you put into your post but I think you are missing something. Part of the student-athlete experience is designed to teach individual responsibility and accountability. The pressure on a high caliber athlete at a high profile program is tremendous and that's exactly why there is a very extensive and accessible support staff available. But, at the end of the day no one, not a coach, teammate, mother or friend can hold the students hand and walk him to class, to practice, to workouts, study for him, take his tests or eat, and sleep for him. He has to accept those responsibilities and make his own decisions. Fab is Brazilian but he is not stupid and he knows the difference between right and wrong. He made his decisions with ample opportunity to consider, reconsider and reflect upon those decisions. He referred to his team as his family throughout the season, and he failed that family. His family may forgive him and I’ve previously said that I wish him well for the future but, as a fan, I don't feel that he deserves my thanks for failing his team.
 
Let me guess...you're both the type who is against keeping score in Little League and wants to give everyone a trophy, right?

Cry me a freakin' river. Fabricio screwed up. He didn't do what he was supposed to do and screwed over his teammates. This isn't about the fans or their expectations for the team. This is about his teammates and coaches. He put himself over them. That's inexcusable and I'm not sorry to say I won't be thanking him.

You're a fool. It's called seeing both sides of the story.
 
Do you know how many Sophomores do not have off-court incidents like he had this past year? Probably 99.9%.

Do you know how many Sophomores have access to the kind of resources he had to make sure he didn't fail? Probably 1%. I could forgive the kid a lot easier if he seemed to have any appreciation for the opportunity. It's not like 80% of D1 basketball players fail out their Sophomore year.

I'm still not going to wish ill upon the kid, and hopefully he gets his shot in the NBA, and matures a bit along the way, but he really couldn't have cared less while he was here. That's the issue.

If you're post was about someone who was otherwise a great kid, I'd be on board. Not so much here.

You know he's not a great kid? Know him well? You already made your opinion.
 
First, he'll be 22 in June.

Second, most people would love to receive a free college education from a school like SU.

Third, he's had issues here for far longer than the "last few months". The turn signal incident happened last year, and he was given a second chance. He was deemed academically ineligible earlier this year, and was given a third chance. And this is to say nothing about his poor physical conditioning last year. Seems to me like he put his own priorities over those of his teammates and coaches. Maybe it's just me, but I believe in personal responsibility.

Incidents? Your judging him based on a fight with his girlfriend, him being unprepared to play high-end D-1 basketball after a few years of basketball experience, and him blowing off classes because he has millions waiting for him in the NBA? Maybe you sound smart and proud in your head, but I don't agree with anything you say. I believe in learning from your mistakes and ignoring self-righteousness of people who have never been in your shoes.
 

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