The Big East Died on Tuesday

[billsin01]

DERP

What's your evidence for us being better than Uconn? our win over them in 06? And we're way better than RU b/c we lose to better teams?

 

[OrangePA]

My point is that we didn't magically become a good football program with this move -- a point I'm sure you understand but I"m not sure others do.

How are you figuring UConn hasn't been significantly better than us for a good five years? We've lost five in row -- most in ugly fashion -- and they've been far more productive in terms of producing NFL talent on draft day. I mean, I guess facilities and reputation and everything else may be fairly equal, but they've generally dwarfed our on-field accomplishments for five years (even including their crappy 5-7 year in '11). As for RU, I know everyone loves to point out that they play no one, but that criticism will sound much less hollow when we are actually winning a few games. Playing better teams and losing proves nothing. As it stands, they had been to something like five straight bowls prior to last season and produced a fair amount of NFL talent.

It's fine to be excited about the ACC move -- I'm not simply b/c I don't really get that jazzed about playing UMD as opposed to RU. My point was simply that I think the fact that people hate RU and UConn is actually a good thing for a conference. I also think people drastically overrate how good this program is compared to those two.

UConn has far suprrior facilities at this point courtesy of the Burton Family.

 

[OrangePA]

But how much longer will jones be there? Remember he was all but gone to Arizona State, to the point he recalled all his assistants off the recruiting trails. He would have gone then, but for some strange reason ASU pulled the offer.

I don't know how long he'll be there but he's there right now and he's built a solid program. With a schedule that will include Louisville, Cincy, USF, Boise and Houston with a real good season SMU could get much more national attention very soon.

Recall that Larry Brown is coming to the school and the BE.

 

[Scooch]

Bills, most people don't hate UConn and Rutgers. Most of our fanbase in entirely ambivalent about them. There is an Internet-poster rivalry, that's about it.

 

[Scooch]

My point is that we didn't magically become a good football program with this move -- a point I'm sure you understand but I"m not sure others do.

How are you figuring UConn hasn't been significantly better than us for a good five years? We've lost five in row -- most in ugly fashion -- and they've been far more productive in terms of producing NFL talent on draft day. I mean, I guess facilities and reputation and everything else may be fairly equal, but they've generally dwarfed our on-field accomplishments for five years (even including their crappy 5-7 year in '11). As for RU, I know everyone loves to point out that they play no one, but that criticism will sound much less hollow when we are actually winning a few games. Playing better teams and losing proves nothing. As it stands, they had been to something like five straight bowls prior to last season and produced a fair amount of NFL talent.

It's fine to be excited about the ACC move -- I'm not simply b/c I don't really get that jazzed about playing UMD as opposed to RU. My point was simply that I think the fact that people hate RU and UConn is actually a good thing for a conference. I also think people drastically overrate how good this program is compared to those two.

And yeah, moving to a better conference doesn't guarantee SU anything but more money. We could still suck. But like I said, I'd rather be us than them, that's all.

UConn has been better than us, no doubt. But UConn hasn't been great, they've been good, by Big East standards, and have lost to just about every name brand program they've played (also a Bg East staple). So by the way I figure it, the gap between us isn't all that huge. I mean you can't just use head-to-head as the deciding factor, otherwise you'd have to say we're better than WVU, right?

 

[Cuseman78]

The gap between the "haves" and the "have-nots" is clearly widening. The Big 5 will monopolize the big-time bowl games, will stop playing 1-1s with non-Big 5 conferences (this has already started to happen and will be accelerated), and the "have-nots" will simply be frozen out of big time football.

Clearly we have been worse than a Rutgers/Uconn in the short term, but despite that, we were fortunate enough to make the cut and those schools were not. As Scooch said, despite the last 5-7 yrs (the worst stretch in our history), I would certainly rather be us than those not picked.

 

[KaiserUEO]

And yeah, moving to a better conference doesn't guarantee SU anything but more money. We could still suck. But like I said, I'd rather be us than them, that's all.

UConn has been better than us, no doubt. But UConn hasn't been great, they've been good, by Big East standards, and have lost to just about every name brand program they've played (also a Bg East staple). So by the way I figure it, the gap between us isn't all that huge. I mean you can't just use head-to-head as the deciding factor, otherwise you'd have to say we're better than WVU, right?

Scooch, just tell the idiots to shut the and use the common sense rule.

Do you want to play for the Giants or the jets??? Giants

Patsy's or bills?? Patsy's

Cowboys or texans??? Cowboys

Yankees or mets?? Yankees

Yankees or redsux?? Yankees

Redsux or orioles?? Redsux

Syracuse or storz?? Syracuse

Syracuse or rutgers?? Syracuse

Common sense

End of story.

 

[OrangePA]

But wait, OPA has been saying for months the Big East is going to get that HUGE TV contract with all the networks fighting over them...ha ha ha ha ha!! Yeah, think OPA had a swing and miss on that one!

The Big East die



d LONG before Tuesday. The day they started adding San Diego St, Boise, SMU, and Houston is the day the conference officially died because they were a joke of a conference and adding those 4 they became a national laughingstock. The conference "unofficially" died the day Pitt and SU left.

UCONN and Rutgers can die a fast death football wise and being stuck in that god for saken conference they will. The sooner they die the more it helps SU. No two ways about it.

Of course the BE television contract is not eligible for negotiation for more than a year.

So Mr. Stern is apparently watchong some other game. The first pitch has not only been thrown.

Try again next year.

 

[Stern]

Of course the BE television contract is not eligible for negotiation for more than a year.

So Mr. Stern is apparently watchong some other game. The first pitch has not only been thrown.

Try again next year.

LOL...can't just admit you are wrong and move on. Gonna keep grasping at straws! lol lol

 

[billsin01]

Scooch, just tell the idiots to shut the and use the common sense rule.

Do you want to play for the Giants or the jets??? Giants

Patsy's or bills?? Patsy's

Cowboys or texans??? Cowboys

Yankees or mets?? Yankees

Yankees or redsux?? Yankees

Redsux or orioles?? Redsux

Syracuse or storz?? Syracuse

Syracuse or rutgers?? Syracuse

Common sense

End of story.

Your posts are genuinely annoying.

 

[billsin01]

And yeah, moving to a better conference doesn't guarantee SU anything but more money. We could still suck. But like I said, I'd rather be us than them, that's all.

UConn has been better than us, no doubt. But UConn hasn't been great, they've been good, by Big East standards, and have lost to just about every name brand program they've played (also a Bg East staple). So by the way I figure it, the gap between us isn't all that huge. I mean you can't just use head-to-head as the deciding factor, otherwise you'd have to say we're better than WVU, right?

I agree on both points.

 

[OrangePA]

LOL...can't just admit you are wrong and move on. Gonna keep grasping at straws! lol lol

You don't understand.

There have been no Big East TV discussions because the contract is subject to negotiation for another year.

ESPN holds a right of first refusal once the present deal expires.

The deal will be negotiated a year from now.

I have no idea what the contract will be and have never given an opinion in that regard.

I seem to recall that our discussion involved two issues. First, your comment that the BE made a mistake in how it chose the new football members. I recall asking you who you would have selected had you been the BE Commissioner. You had no answer to that question.

I also seem to recall that you suggested that the Big East would not survive or something like that. In fact, as we have seen Boise State is moving ahead with its membership as are University of Houston, SD State, SMU and Navy. The Big East does not have a bowl tie-in yet, but it has survived and in 2013 will probably be a better football conference than it was in 2011.

So, I think much of what you have posted is simply not accurate.

 

[Stern]

You don't understand.

There have been no Big East TV discussions because the contract is subject to negotiation for another year.

ESPN holds a right of first refusal once the present deal expires.

The deal will be negotiated a year from now.

I have no idea what the contract will be and have never given an opinion in that regard.

ha ha ha, talk about re-writing history!! lol lol lol

 

[OrangePA]

ha ha ha, talk about re-writing history!! lol lol lol

Okay, okay, calm down.

Don't want you to choke on a vital organ or anything.

Refresh my memory - what was the contract price that I predicted for the Big East?

 

[zls44]

Eh. It is what it is, you know? Nothing any fan can really do about it, unless their last name is Pickens. I agree with the idea that it's unlikely Syracuse/UConn/Rutgers can all be good at the same time due to the lack of talent in the region. To those that wish Rutgers/UConn rot and die based on that, totally understandable, and I assure you the feeling is mutual. I harbor no ill-will towards your ill-will.

It's strange, really. I mean, the state spent $100 million upgrading the program. It's not like they didn't try. I'll still go to the UConn games and watch them and enjoy the time there. But, yeah, it won't be the same playing at San Diego State on a Friday night (unless I'm there in person, in which case, I will blindly defend the experience to one and all). Something about playing Memphis and Boise State...I mean, besides being worse, it's just..strange.

Note: if any of you have a problem with the fact that I'm over here as a UConn guy, too friggin' bad. Go cry to Joyce and Tom about it.

 

[Scooch]

Eh. It is what it is, you know? Nothing any fan can really do about it, unless their last name is Pickens. I agree with the idea that it's unlikely Syracuse/UConn/Rutgers can all be good at the same time due to the lack of talent in the region. To those that wish Rutgers/UConn rot and die based on that, totally understandable, and I assure you the feeling is mutual. I harbor no ill-will towards your ill-will.

It's strange, really. I mean, the state spent $100 million upgrading the program. It's not like they didn't try. I'll still go to the UConn games and watch them and enjoy the time there. But, yeah, it won't be the same playing at San Diego State on a Friday night (unless I'm there in person, in which case, I will blindly defend the experience to one and all). Something about playing Memphis and Boise State...I mean, besides being worse, it's just..strange.

Note: if any of you have a problem with the fact that I'm over here as a UConn guy, too friggin' bad. Go cry to Joyce and Tom about it.

Good response, although I'm sure you'll get pounced on by the usual suspects here because you're a UConn fan (you jerk!).

Thing is, as strange as you think life in the New New Big EastWest will be, SU fans have had an even deeper amount of depression and bewilderment over our conference circumstances the past 8 years. I mean we had a 15 year run where we went to 6 BCS-level/New Year's Day bowls, had a bunch of top 25 finishes, and beat a who's-who of opponents. Then just as we're about to join the ACC we get the rug pulled out from under us ( You, Governor Warner) and we spend the next decade playing Cincy, USF and UConn (no offense) instead of Miami, VaTech and BC. And that may have been tolerable if we didn't suck, but we did *and* we were playing in a crap conference.

So I'm a little sympathetic, but at the same time, we've been there, if not had it worse. Life ain't fair.

 

[rrlbees]

Note: if any of you have a problem with the fact that I'm over here as a UConn guy, too friggin' bad. Go cry to Joyce and Tom about it.

You were doing fine until you coped the attitude.

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[Stern]

Okay, okay, calm down.

Don't want you to choke on a vital organ or anything.

Refresh my memory - what was the contract price that I predicted for the Big East?

You only posted about topic this like 100 times. After every time the BE added a garbage team like Temple, SMU, San Diego St, Houston...etc you went on and on how this will only add to the value of the conference and get them a TV deal that will bring in $12-14 mill per team (per your "insider" source who you worship as a god and take his word as FACT). You claimed NBC would overpay for the Big East like FOX overpaid for the NFL back in the day which is totally laughable. I don't have time to go through and find every post you put up on this topic because there are so many where you proclaim how the BE TV deal is going to be so great, but here are some of your greatest hits ...

I think maybe you missed the point.

The BE conference would cover the entire USA - the expanded market for the conference would allow for more prime time sports viewership for all the time zones. I think that's what the TV people are contemplating.

I know that we SU Football snobs might find it hard to believe - we are such a dominant force in TV viewership - but college football fans in Houston, Dallas, Tampa/Orlando, San Diego and the Rocky Mountain Boise State fans might actually have some interest in what the BE and NBC apparently envision.

Of course.

But this is a hind sight point of view.

In 2012 nothing is NFL Football in this country.

But the fact is that many in the business figured that Fox - back then - had over paid for the deal.

The point is that Fox needed content and that's what NBC needs. I understand how you feel, but apparently those who know better than you do at NBC, feel differently - at least that is what I was told and what I have read.

So, what are saying?

That SU vs Rutgers or SI v whomever got people excited the last few years?

If Rutgers and SMU are undefeated and challenging for national success the game will draw.

I think you fail to recognize thst stability and success on the field have a lot to say about fan interest.

And if the BE teams develope - especially Rutgers - you'll watch.

Sorry about that.

A few things.

In no particular order. For years college football folks have been degrading and denouncing the BE, and yet year after year it seems a large conference comes and takes BE teams - Miami, BC, Va Tech, SU, Pitt, WVU. I have little doubt that teams like Louisville, Cincinnati, and even Rutgers and UConn are appealing to other conferences - there is always the possibility that those teams will leave the BE in the near future.

So, the silly notion that because teams are or have been in the BE they are not valuable is indeed silly.

As far as conving me is concerned, let say this. Nothing anybody has said on this board is enough to alter the views of my contact who clearly knows more about the BE TV discussions than any of us.

Let me also point out that there is nothing subjective about the TV viewing populations in Dallas, Houston, Orlando, San Diego and Philadelphia.

There is nothing subjective about the impact that Boise State has had on college football in the last few years.

There is nothing subjective about the football histories of University of Houston, where the Veer-Option was designed by the great coach Bill Yoeman. There is nothing subjective about the football tradition of SMU, with Hayden Frye, Don Meredith, Eric Dickerson, Craig James and others.

I did not state that Houston, SMU, or San Diego State are - right now - college football dynamos. I have suggested that Houston and SMU have been dynamos in the past and that with some national success can be much more relevant in the future.

I know and understand that many on this board truly want to see the BE fail for whatever reason.

And, that may happen. I am glad that SU is in the ACC - I have wanted it since 2003 - when many on this board did not want it.

But, regardless of our feelings about it, there are reasons that I have described, why the BE is an interesting source of sports programming for NBC/Comcast/Fox and ESPN.

If you don't want to believe that - that's fine with me.

By the way, where do you live forty-five minutes from Philly?
Where do you live?

You're not reading.

I have never suggested What I am suggesting with respect

I don't know which line I laugh at more..."IF RUTGERS AND SMU ARE UNDEFEATED FIGHTING FOR NATIONAL SUCCESS" or "IF BIG EAST TEAM DEVELOP-ESPECIALLY RUTGERS-YOU'LL WATCH"

ha ha ha

 

[SU2NASA]

Game. blouses.

 

[OrangePA]

You only posted about topic this like 100 times. After every time the BE added a garbage team like Temple, SMU, San Diego St, Houston...etc you went on and on how this will only add to the value of the conference and get them a TV deal that will bring in $12-14 mill per team (per your "insider" source who you worship as a god and take his word as FACT). You claimed NBC would overpay for the Big East like FOX overpaid for the NFL back in the day which is totally laughable. I don't have time to go through and find every post you put up on this topic because there are so many where you proclaim how the BE TV deal is going to be so great, but here are some of your greatest hits ...













I don't know which line I laugh at more..."IF RUTGERS AND SMU ARE UNDEFEATED FIGHTING FOR NATIONAL SUCCESS" or "IF BIG EAST TEAM DEVELOP-ESPECIALLY RUTGERS-YOU'LL WATCH"

ha ha ha

I understand that you very much want to express your emotions. I get it. You don't need to add the "ha ha ha" stuff or the "LOL" stuff or use all CAPS.

It really makes you come off as a bit unhinged.

As you have demonstrated I have offerred a series of fair and objective observations.

And I have never predicted a TV contract price for the BE Football Conference.

What I have observed is that the BE has followed a solid strategy of adding teams in strong TV markets.

And I have observed that the there is a strong need for TV sports content - that outlets such as Fox and NBC are looking for that content.

Finally, I have provided the board with the thoughts of a TV professional who has had direct involvement in the BE TV negotiations in the recent past.

So, while you choke your self with your "ha ha" and "LOL" silliness, recognize that I do not and cannot predict prices and that the TV negotiations will not begin for another year.

Also recognize that your nonsensical prediction that the BE would die has been quite wrong.

Indeed, your observation that the Big East has added "garbage" programs, I think once again, reveals a fundamental lack of candor on your part.

I noticed that in your list of "garbage" programs, you did not include Boise State. I guess that confirms that even you understand that the Broncos are an elite football team.

Of course, University of Houston is not a "garbage" program - nor is SMU or SD State or Central Florida. Even Temple is now considered a decent football program - one that will give the Orangemen a tough game this fall.

I must admit I have had fun with you, but you have become a bit fatiguing so I am going to pass on you for awhile.

Good luck with the emotional issues.