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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 2507259, member: 668"] I don't know. But SU has really never been a program that historically landed blue chipper/top 10-15 type guys, at least not routinely. They've been a system program and have had tremendous success and consistency in this fashion. I don't think, imo, that not participating in the pay to play scheme that you allude to is the proximate cause of these last few years with double digit losses, etc. I think there has been a combination of roster management and recruiting issues/misses, unforeseen defections, injuries as well as sanctions. [/QUOTE]