The case for keeping Red

[HyattsCuse]

Does it really matter? Honestly.

I don’t think there is any coach in college hoops who will sustain success in the NIL era at one school. So we’re hoping to strike gold, get a few hot seasons out of a guy, rinse, wash, repeat.

Shoot me.

I mean what do you consider “sustained success”? That seems overly pessimistic.

I don’t think the NIL era has been around long enough for solid data but, at least for college basketball, if you look at the final Top 25 rankings by year, a lot of the same schools appear year after year (under the same head coach). I’d call a perennial Top 25 ranking in the NIL era sustained success.

 

[Brooky03]

I mean what do you consider “sustained success”? That seems overly pessimistic.

I don’t think the NIL era has been around long enough for solid data but, at least for college basketball, if you look at the final Top 25 rankings by year, a lot of the same schools appear year after year (under the same head coach). I’d call a perennial Top 25 ranking in the NIL era sustained success.

I understand it’s a convenient argument on my end, but NIL has only been around in its current iteration a few seasons. This much roster turnover year after year is going to create wild swings. The guy who’s crushing it and fielding $20M teams is going to get it wrong sooner than later, and once he gets it wrong and loses that momentum, he’s going to struggle to get it back. Why? Because there are no program builders. They’re building mansions on swamp soil. There are no coaches with systems that are plug and play. They’re gonna whiff on a couple big money guys and there’s no amount of coaching that will fix that.

 

[ar inj]

If I see Kyle or any other big catch the ball near the basket and not immediately go up for the hoop, as has repeatedly occurred this year I will absolutely know that we have no one capable of coaching. Oh wait the staff has had plenty of time to correct this single problem, but nothing is changed. Could this be considered bad coaching or do we just have players incapable of learning? I lean for poor coaching or no coaching.
I have seen multiple issues like this with no noticeable improvement.

Kyle is not the problem.

 

[SUbear]

Kyle is not the problem.

I never said he was the problem, strange interpretation by you.

 

[ar inj]

I never said he was the problem, strange interpretation by you.

You specifically complained that you did not want to see Kyle catch the ball and not immediately go up with it. You then complained it was the fault of the coaches that Kyle has not been taught to immediately go up. You clearly indicated Kyle should immediately go up and the coaches have failed to coach him to immediately go up.
Did you read what you wrote? I simply disagree that Kyle is a problem.

That being said, I fully agree with you that Autry cannot coach and I know there are too many examples to list that we would both agree on.

Sorry if I am grumpy. I use to live and die with SU hoops. Now it is death by a million paper cuts or should I say outrageously bad passes for turnovers, dribbling off one’s foot, WTX substitutions, and people suggesting I might have to endure this past March 2026.

 

[SUbear]

You specifically complained that you did not want to see Kyle catch the ball and not immediately go up with it. You then complained it was the fault of the coaches that Kyle has not been taught to immediately go up. You clearly indicated Kyle should immediately go up and the coaches have failed to coach him to immediately go up.
Did you read what you wrote? I simply disagree that Kyle is a problem.

That being said, I fully agree with you that Autry cannot coach and I know there are too many examples to list that we would both agree on.

Sorry if I am grumpy. I use to live and die with SU hoops. Now it is death by a million paper cuts or should I say outrageously bad passes for turnovers, dribbling off one’s foot, WTX substitutions, and people suggesting I might have to endure this past March 2026.

Thus your strange interpretation because I was specifically commenting on a coaching failure not the player. All players have things to learn including Kyle. It is a coaches job to change/correct those bad habits. He is a problem only in his unfortunate habit of hesitating after catching the ball near the goal. Too bad no coach has seemingly pointed this out or perhaps you believe he just has failed to adjust after being coached, which I specifically said I did not believe was the case.

Then there is his foul shooting, but that is a whole different issue. In that regard he definitely is a problem.

 

[Consigliere]

Wasn't JB's philosophy not to foul? I remember that epic game vs Duke at the Dome where we didn't and they made the three to tie.

It’s foul when there are 5 seconds or less left. The play Saturday started at 17. Shot went up at 8.

 

[Chip]

I'm one of those guys that met him at an NIL event. Really liked him, and loved him as a player so I really wanted him to succeed.

But the ceiling for some is the top assistant, and there's nothing wrong with that.

If you ask me today, there's no case and we have to move on. If you ask me at the end of the season, I'd say short of a miracle, there's no case and we have to move on.

I wouldn't hire GMac either. I think it's just going to be another case where everyone is sick of a legend. Move on from this tree.

 

[Cappy3]

Does it really matter? Honestly.

I don’t think there is any coach in college hoops who will sustain success in the NIL era at one school. So we’re hoping to strike gold, get a few hot seasons out of a guy, rinse, wash, repeat.

Shoot me.

Well, Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc are what I call sustained success. Consistently being in the top 25, making the dance, and getting decent seeds year after year. So it is doable.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Well, Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc are what I call sustained success. Consistently being in the top 25, making the dance, and getting decent seeds year after year. So it is doable.

Does anyone believe Gonzaga maintains that success after Few is done?

 

[HyattsCuse]

Does anyone believe Gonzaga maintains that success after Few is done?

Possible they pay up to bring Tommy Lloyd back home.

 

[Orangezoo]

Does anyone believe Gonzaga maintains that success after Few is done?

lol exactly. Gonzaga made the tournament 2x in the program’s entire history before Few took over after Monson took them on the sweet 16 run in 98-99 which was their second ever tournament appearance.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

lol exactly. Gonzaga made the tournament 2x in the program’s entire history before Few took over after Monson took them on the sweet 16 run in 98-99 which was their second ever tournament appearance.

And I was not trying to be funny there. Honestly want to know if people believe it’s a possibility.

 

[Orangezoo]

And I was not trying to be funny there. Honestly want to know if people believe it’s a possibility.

Only thing I can see is they can get enough money to support hiring a top level coach to come in. Not sure that’s a sure thing.

 

[tbonezone]

The case for keeping Red​

hey i'm old school. i generally keep my cars/trucks about 20 yrs (250k on my current 2005 ride) . but there does come a time to let go. that's how i feel about the JB era. and red god bless him is trying to be as independent as he can. he put a stake thru the heart of the only zone D philosophy and has opened up the floor to his bench. but he is still JB legacy. and we must move on to the next chapter .
i'll be trading in this spring . hoping syracuse does the same. time for a change.

(btw the tacoma i'm sure has plenty of miles left and hopefully makes the next owner happy. wishing nothing but the best down the road. )

 

[Brooky03]

Well, Duke, Kansas, Gonzaga, etc are what I call sustained success. Consistently being in the top 25, making the dance, and getting decent seeds year after year. So it is doable.

Well, we got rid of our old HoF coach. Kansas and Gonzaga still have theirs (nobody turn this into a JB thing, that’s not my point). Duke got a legacy successor who is actually good; we weren’t so fortunate.

I’m speaking to hiring somebody in the NIL world, which is what we’re facing. I’m skeptical that any of the hot coaching hires the last few years are going to keep it rolling. There’s no inertia. You can start the ball rolling quickly but it can stop in an instant, too; it is likely to. And I don’t think a hire without some ties to the school/area has a lot of reason to stick around, so there’s always the threat they’ll leave and take their players and the NIL with them. Coaches could always leave for greener pastures before and would take some players with them, but there would be a program left. The idea of a ‘program’ is gone now. It’s not a thing.

It is what it is, I’ll deal with it. But it’s still crappy.

 

[M2MPrinciples]

And I was not trying to be funny there. Honestly want to know if people believe it’s a possibility.

I think it's a possibility. Tommy Lloyd was Few's HC in-waiting but he left before last season and now has U of A at 18-0 in a good conference in his second year. I believe Few has one other longtime assistant still on staff but not sure if he figures into the succession plan to the extent that one exists.

 

[chugg21]

I wish I still cared enough to check in here 5 times a day and complain about the coaching. Think this might be my 1st post of the year about the bball team so guess I have no positives to offer for keeping things as they are.