The Dick Vitale model

[CuseFaninVT]

Okay, McCullough leaving early got me thinking about the current one and done deal with NCAA hoops. A while back Dickie V proposed having a panel of NBA pros review a prospective talent to see if they really could make it in the league and grant them the ability to get pro straight from high school. Otherwise, they go to college and play for 2-3 years. I think it was 3, but that's immaterial.

My question is this - would McCullough have been granted the waiver to go straight out of HS? I didn't see him play before SU so that's why I'm asking this question. I guess that hindsight has proven to most of us that based on his performance at US that would have been unlikely. I'm just curious what the folks who follow recruiting think.

 

[Cuse House]

Okay, McCullough leaving early got me thinking about the current one and done deal with NCAA hoops. A while back Dickie V proposed having a panel of NBA pros review a prospective talent to see if they really could make it in the league and grant them the ability to get pro straight from high school. Otherwise, they go to college and play for 2-3 years. I think it was 3, but that's immaterial.

My question is this - would McCullough have been granted the waiver to go straight out of HS? I didn't see him play before SU so that's why I'm asking this question. I guess that hindsight has proven to most of us that based on his performance at US that would have been unlikely. I'm just curious what the folks who follow recruiting think.

Personally, I like this model but I think two years is better than three. Three may be a bit too long of a requirement. As far as Chris goes, his drawback has always been his build, don't think it's changed much here especially with his injury. But who knows?

 

[RF2044]

Okay, McCullough leaving early got me thinking about the current one and done deal with NCAA hoops. A while back Dickie V proposed having a panel of NBA pros review a prospective talent to see if they really could make it in the league and grant them the ability to get pro straight from high school. Otherwise, they go to college and play for 2-3 years. I think it was 3, but that's immaterial.

My question is this - would McCullough have been granted the waiver to go straight out of HS? I didn't see him play before SU so that's why I'm asking this question. I guess that hindsight has proven to most of us that based on his performance at US that would have been unlikely. I'm just curious what the folks who follow recruiting think.

Hmmm. I'm guessing it would depend on what evaluative criteria the panel applied. I assume that they'd be more "liberal" with that determination for big guys. As a 6-10 kid with his type of athleticism, you'd think he'd have a chance to be granted the waiver, despite his lack of strength / skill development at that stage of his curve.

One question, though--the concept seems sound, but wouldn't this violate Haywood v. NBA?

 

[jordoo]

Simply allowing kids to enter the draft out of highschool should solve most of the problems by itself. The kids who are going to make bad mistakes will make them without ever visiting school. The kids going to school will logically be more realistic about their professional prospects after each season seeing as they already decided to go to school. The NBA will get tired of flopping on highschool kids and become much more discriminant in picking them, less and less will declare. More and more developed 2/3 year guys will become successful in the NBA as rookies/sophs causing more kids to stay long enough to develop. College game gets better as does the pro game. Putting the 1 year rule in has seemed to cause more guys to leave than ever after 1 year.

 

[SBU72]

Simply allowing kids to enter the draft out of highschool should solve most of the problems by itself. The kids who are going to make bad mistakes will make them without ever visiting school. The kids going to school will logically be more realistic about their professional prospects after each season seeing as they already decided to go to school. The NBA will get tired of flopping on highschool kids and become much more discriminant in picking them, less and less will declare. More and more developed 2/3 year guys will become successful in the NBA as rookies/sophs causing more kids to stay long enough to develop. College game gets better as does the pro game. Putting the 1 year rule in has seemed to cause more guys to leave than ever after 1 year.

Simply allowing kids to go directly to the NBA alone won't work. The NBA won't care if kids flop because they won't draft most of them! And kids won't believe they aren't the exceptions any more than the one and dones who elect to go and flop do now. What teenager isn't so full of himself that he doesn't believe he is the next all-star especially if he had a pose' who build him to get a piece of the action. Even when they see that 50 or 60% don't make it they will believe they are the other %.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Okay, McCullough leaving early got me thinking about the current one and done deal with NCAA hoops. A while back Dickie V proposed having a panel of NBA pros review a prospective talent to see if they really could make it in the league and grant them the ability to get pro straight from high school. Otherwise, they go to college and play for 2-3 years. I think it was 3, but that's immaterial.

My question is this - would McCullough have been granted the waiver to go straight out of HS? I didn't see him play before SU so that's why I'm asking this question. I guess that hindsight has proven to most of us that based on his performance at US that would have been unlikely. I'm just curious what the folks who follow recruiting think.

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

 

[SBU72]

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

They are not. They can wait a year, working out on their own or go overseas and play for pay if they want. Nobody says they HAVE to play college ball. Heck, Chris barely did. The NBA is just saying they don't want to put up with teenagers.

 

[jordoo]

Simply allowing kids to go directly to the NBA alone won't work. The NBA won't care if kids flop because they won't draft most of them! And kids won't believe they aren't the exceptions any more than the one and dones who elect to go and flop do now. What teenager isn't so full of himself that he doesn't believe he is the next all-star especially if he had a pose' who build him to get a piece of the action. Even when they see that 50 or 60% don't make it they will believe they are the other %.

It worked better than it does now and you cannot stop people from making bad decisions nor is it the NBA or the NCAA's responsibility to protect these kids before they enter the draft or the college ranks. Hey if they want to offer evaluation camps and such I'd be all for it.

 

[SBU72]

It worked better than it does now and you cannot stop people from making bad decisions nor is it the NBA or the NCAA's responsibility to protect these kids before they enter the draft or the college ranks. Hey if they want to offer evaluation camps and such I'd be all for it.

If the state can say that you can't drink (or serve alcohol) until you are 21, get drivers license until 17, have a "senior" license until you are18, can't work certain hours until you a certain age, why can't the NBA say we won't draft kids until they are 19 or 20 or even 21. Or been out of high school 1 year or 2 years or what ever to prove they are physically and emotionally mature enough to suffer the rigors of pro ball? Yeah there are plenty of occupations that people can do (successfully too) that does not set an age limit but then are also plenty of occupations that say a person to meet specific requirements in order to qualify.

 

[Briancuse]

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

It doesn't have to be that way.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It doesn't have to be that way.

It shouldn't be. Let's go to a European system. Clubs for sports. Universities for education

 

[Dave85]

Simply allowing kids to enter the draft out of highschool should solve most of the problems by itself. The kids who are going to make bad mistakes will make them without ever visiting school. The kids going to school will logically be more realistic about their professional prospects after each season seeing as they already decided to go to school. The NBA will get tired of flopping on highschool kids and become much more discriminant in picking them, less and less will declare. More and more developed 2/3 year guys will become successful in the NBA as rookies/sophs causing more kids to stay long enough to develop. College game gets better as does the pro game. Putting the 1 year rule in has seemed to cause more guys to leave than ever after 1 year.

I hate the idea of recruiting kids out of HS. I would like to see two years in CBB.

But I would also like to see the players get paid somehow. I just don't think it's fair that the NCAA rakes in so much money and does not share the wealth. Give players some kind of payment for playing based on advertising revenue but hold it until a kid graduates or leaves for the NBA. It just seems to me the NCAA is exploiting "student athletes" which is a euphemism for "unpaid worker". The student athletes do all the work and the NCAA reaps all the results. It's like slavery or something. I just don't think it's fair.

 

[Toga]

and if they do enroll in school, why don't we ensure they take some classes in personal finance and communications?

 

[Orange2389]

Kentucky and the ncaa are ruining the college game. its a joke actually

 

[pfister1]

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

Even better question is why are they allowed to go to college?

 

[Timonen]

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

I would view them like an artist or musician. Let them major in it and hone the craft, with a suite of other classes (basics, life skills, pr, finance, etc) to satisfy a broader education.

 

[Madbiker]

My question is why should someone whose only qualification for college is their athletic ability be required to go to college at all?

Nobody is forcing anyone to go to college. If you want to play basketball and get paid you can play in an overseas pro league (if they think you are good enough) or go to the D league (which just about nobody is doing because the pay is so low that college with room and board looks better).

 

[SWC75]

1) Have the NBA and NFL develop their own farm systems like baseball and hockey and let kids go right there instead of having to pretend they are college students. college ball will survive because it represents markets the pro teams don't and has a century of tradition that won't go away. You lose 90% of your academic, disciplinary and legal troubles as well the seamy underside of the recruiting wars. And coaches will be able to build teams with 4 year players. You won't get the Chris McCulloughs but you'll still get the Frank Kaminskis

2) Allow players to enter the draft and see where they stand. if they don't like it, they can come back to college and spin the wheel again next year. How does it help the colleges to cut them off from that option?

3) Let players who have tried pro careers before their eligibility was gone and who were in good academic standing when they left come back to school to get their degrees and play for the college team in an effort to restart their careers. Would the current player resent it? Maybe. But it would be no different than bringing in a JUCO guy or a highly recruited freshman.

4) Allow players to major in athletics and teach them what they will need to know as professional athletes, (nutrition, public speaking, reading contracts, investments, starting businesses, etc. It would be no different than training to be a doctor or a lawyer.

5) Include cost of living stipends with the scholarships.