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Coach Babers’s Show will be at the new Marriott Syracuse, (the former Hotel Syracuse). The first show will be Wednesday night at 7PM because the game is Friday, (the show will normally be two days before the next game). They will be in Shaughnessy’s Irish Pub, which can be accessed from the street.
This article contains the schedule:
Dino Babers Radio Show Debuts Wednesday
You can also listen to the show live each week on the Syracuse IMG Sports Network and Cuse.com. Wednesday's show will be on 99.1 FM and 97.7 FM, as well. The show will regularly air on 99.5FM (Syracuse) 99.1 FM (Utica) and 1200 AM.”
You can also get it on: WGVA
There hasn’t been any change in the phone numbers, which last year were 315-424-8599 (local) or 1-888-746-2873. You can call to ask questions or submit them via Twitter at: #AskDino hashtag on Twitter
Or through Cuse.com, (the SU Athletic website):
Submit a Question!
You can listen to a podcast of the show, probably the next day, at: Search results for babers
I’ve been asked to continue doing the summaries, even by people who listen to the podcasts. I may focus on the major points, rather than trying to record everything.
My Question(s)
“Coach, there’s a lot of talk about Syracuse Universities “concussion protocol”. I realize you can’t give out much information about individual players but exactly what is SU’s concussion protocol? What are the rules, who creates them and who decides if a player can play in a game or has to give up the sport?”
The Show
(I sometimes re-arrange the comments so that statements made on the same subject are reported together, even if they came at different points of the show.)
(They were still in the Cavalier Room. They will move to Shaughnessy’s when it is finished. )
Dino invited Jim Boeheim to stay for the first segment of his show, saying he wanted to talk to “somebody with more knowledge than I have. Nobody’s seen more coaches come and go.”
JB said he’s probably seen more Su football games than anyone- he’s been here since 1962. He recalled hearing about some guy name Floyd Little, (who was present), who was supposed to be pretty good. “It’s not like today when you hear all about the new guys. He took the opening kick-off back, untouched for a touchdown. Then he returned a punt 80 yards for a touchdown. Nobody got a hand on him. The next year, (he must have been describing a freshman game), we played Gayle Sayers and Kansas and we held Gayle to about 90 yards but Floyd scored 5 touchdowns. he put on a show like you’ve never seen.”
Dino couldn’t get a word in edgewise but I doubt he minded. JB: “I’ve enjoyed watching your team start to develop. I enjoyed being entertaining and watched a lot of promising stuff. You don’t build a football program in a year. Alabama and Ohio State always have players even when they lose 4-5 games. It takes at least three recruiting years.”
Dino repeated his saying “The lion isn’t king of the jungle. It’s the Hippos and the Elephants. You have to get those offensive and defensive linemen and they have to reach maturity.” JB: “You can get linemen who are 6-4 250 and you have to turn them into 6-4 300. You need to redshirt them and by their third year they start to be productive. You’re not going to recruit the 6-6 300 pound guy if Alabama wants them. You need to find the guy who could be good and build them up. Nobody wants to hear that. But if you talk about that, they say you are bad-mouthing the players.”
Matt asked Dino if he’d learned anything from watching coach Boeheim. DB: “He reminds me of guys I followed growing up. Whether you agree or disagree with him, his points make sense. You get a picture of the team. You obviously need good players to be good but it’s about coaching average players to be better and better players to be really good. Last year we saw the team without Coach and what they accomplished with him. I was amazed watching the zone and suddenly they would trap. I loved the unpredictability of it. I love chess more than checkers.”
JB: Some things work and some don’t. It’s the experience factor. It’s a little easier to change something if you’ve seen the situation before. Hubie Brown is one of the best tacticians I’ve ever seen. He knew how to put his players into a position where they could make plays. When guys execute plays offensively and defensively you can win. When they don’t people wonder why you didn’t do something else. You didn’t coach any better when it works.. The players made the plays. It’s the nature of coaching. Winning covers up everything. You can do a great job but if you lose it doesn’t matter. Everybody knows how to coach. You need to get good players.”
Dino noted that Jim was “on his 8th head football coach, (this would be since Jim came in 1962, as it would have to include Schwartzwalder).he liked JB’s philosophy: the coach has to put the player in a position to make plays. At this point Jim left and Dino got his show back.
Matt announced that the first 20,000 people to attend the Florida State game would get a Floyd Little bobble head. Floyd was sitting with the coach’s daughter Breeahnah, whom Matt asked to pat Floyd on the head to see if it bobbled. (I’m guessing it did, after a fashion). Matt noted that Floyd played against Florida State the first time they ever came to Syracuse and rushed for 193 yards and 3 TDs. Dino: “I’ll take two.” He comments how Floyd, like all the great runners, looked like he could still play years after his career was over.
I called in my question asking what SU’s concussion protocol was, acknowledging that he could not talk about specific players. He surprised me by saying that he was also not allowed to discuss the protocol itself but said that I could read it on SU’s website, as every school is required to post it to their internet site. I found it here: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/concussionpolicySyracuse2015.pdf
This paragraph described the so called “three concussion rule::
“Any student-athlete with two documented time-loss concussions of any length while at
Syracuse University receives a letter from the Assistant Director of Athletics for Sports
Medicine, outlining their concussion history and the recommendations from the physician
that another concussion may disqualify the student-athlete from further participation in
contact sports at Syracuse University. The head coach is also copied on this letter which is
also acknowledged by the student-athlete with their signature.”
You wonder if Eric Dungey has received such a letter. The entire document shows that the rulings on individual cases will depend on the details of those cases.
Matt did the “Injury Report”. Steven Clark is definitely out for FSU and Eric Dungey is “doubtful”.
Dino: “At this time of year, if you don’t have the numbers right, you’ll get banged up. It’s the physicality of his game that makes it America’s #1 sport. Once we get the numbers up and the players mature, we’ll be OK.
Liam in Pompey, of course, wanted coach’s assessment of the officiating, especially on the chop block call and the interference call on franklin. Coach Babers repeated what he had said in the presser and told Brent Axe this afternoon: that he doesn’t make enough money to afford the fines he’d get for complaining. He did offer this: “The great thing about being human is that you’re not perfect and I’d say the officials fall into that category.”
John in Baltimore asked what coach’s recruiting philosophy was, especially about defensive backs for the Tampa 2- doesn’t it require big backs? DB: You “You always want to try to get as big a player as possible who can still move at the speed of the game. The d-backs are our support players to get us off the field. Players like Antwan Cordy and Davion Ellison are undersized for the Tampa 2but they hit so hard and have such huge hearts they can play the game even at their size. But smaller players tend to get injured more.”
Ralph in Camillus thanked the coach for coming here. he asked about the recruiting class of 2017. He knew that the coach couldn’t comment on individual players but wondered what kind of player the coach was looking for as they try to fill out the class. DB: “We considered the 2016 and 107 classes tighter as the foundation of our program. W had 60 days to put together the 20166 class. Taken together, they give us 25-35 to be that foundation. Some guys are so exciting they can go right into the line-up. Some are promising but have to be redshirted. Others don’t turn out to be as good as you thought. The remaining scholarships will go to certain individuals with certain skills. They will tend to be higher rated than the ones we’ve recruited so far. They will be guys who can help us right away, unless they are offensive linemen.”
Pat in Cicero thanked the coach for choosing Syracuse. He acknowledged that the crowds have been disappointing but “if you build it, they will come back”. (I’m sure Dino appreciated the movie reference.)
Pat said that he’d always wondered why we didn’t use 5 wide-outs playing in the Dome and now that we have that kind of offense “it will be awesome”. DB: “It’s still important to be consistent and fundamentally sound in technique. We are working on a foundation. If you are a plumber you’ve got to know how to use the tools in your tool belts. That’s what our players have to learn. Then the fun can really begin. It will begin between the 4th and 6th games of the second year. The stuff we are teaching them is different from what they have bene taught before. They are getting it but they are still thinking through it. Next year they won’t have to think about it. “
Floyd was passing out buttons that said “Roll the Noles”. Coach said they were considering using “Stop the Chop”. It’s probably a good idea Coach didn’t go around wearing a button that said that. He might be fined.
Pete in Solvay wondered if there were any defensive changes contemplated for Florida State. Will we still be in the Tampa 2? Also, did he feel his job might be in jeopardy if he lost these last two games.? (So we have to worry about Babers getting fired as well as worrying about whether he’ll be poached?)
Dino said that in his 31 years as coach, he’d had a multi-year contract in about 6 years. “if you don’t do well, you will be asked to do it somewhere else.” He added that he didn’t want to say too much about his strategy because people might be listening, as Wake Forest accused Louisville of doing. He said the Tampa 2 is “a seven man front with 2 safeties” but that he can shift to “an 8 man front with single pressures” if they have trouble stopping the run. “The key is to stop the run and run the football when you want to. If you can’t you aren’t good enough and have to get better.”
The produced a discussion of Dalvin Cook, the Florida State running star. Coach “saw him running away from Clemson’s defensive backs who can flat run. He’s even better than the big guy from Texas, he said Leonard Fournette, (who is from Louisiana), “is also exceptional”. He said “The Big Moose Guys don’t come along very often. Give them the ball enough and they’ll win the game for you. But you’ve got to look for the quarterback, the wide receivers and the tight end – they’ll get theirs.” Coach was also impressed with the Seminole defense, including DeMarcus Walker, who has 11.5 sacks and that fact that they have “6 foot corners that can run”. He counted 48 recruiting stars on the Florida State team, ( I assume that was his assessment of the defense, we which he said was full of 4 and 5 star guys ) it’s interesting that most coaches poo-poo the star system for evaluating recruits but Babers apparently uses it to assess the overall talent on the other team.
Coach’s movie pick this week is “Remember the Titans”, especially the scene where the defensive coordinator walks up to the official and tells him to “Call if fair”. He’s told that he will never make the Hall of Fame but replies that he’ll skip the Hall of Fame if they will only call it fair. (Can you get fined for that?):
This article contains the schedule:
Dino Babers Radio Show Debuts Wednesday
You can also listen to the show live each week on the Syracuse IMG Sports Network and Cuse.com. Wednesday's show will be on 99.1 FM and 97.7 FM, as well. The show will regularly air on 99.5FM (Syracuse) 99.1 FM (Utica) and 1200 AM.”
You can also get it on: WGVA
There hasn’t been any change in the phone numbers, which last year were 315-424-8599 (local) or 1-888-746-2873. You can call to ask questions or submit them via Twitter at: #AskDino hashtag on Twitter
Or through Cuse.com, (the SU Athletic website):
Submit a Question!
You can listen to a podcast of the show, probably the next day, at: Search results for babers
I’ve been asked to continue doing the summaries, even by people who listen to the podcasts. I may focus on the major points, rather than trying to record everything.
My Question(s)
“Coach, there’s a lot of talk about Syracuse Universities “concussion protocol”. I realize you can’t give out much information about individual players but exactly what is SU’s concussion protocol? What are the rules, who creates them and who decides if a player can play in a game or has to give up the sport?”
The Show
(I sometimes re-arrange the comments so that statements made on the same subject are reported together, even if they came at different points of the show.)
(They were still in the Cavalier Room. They will move to Shaughnessy’s when it is finished. )
Dino invited Jim Boeheim to stay for the first segment of his show, saying he wanted to talk to “somebody with more knowledge than I have. Nobody’s seen more coaches come and go.”
JB said he’s probably seen more Su football games than anyone- he’s been here since 1962. He recalled hearing about some guy name Floyd Little, (who was present), who was supposed to be pretty good. “It’s not like today when you hear all about the new guys. He took the opening kick-off back, untouched for a touchdown. Then he returned a punt 80 yards for a touchdown. Nobody got a hand on him. The next year, (he must have been describing a freshman game), we played Gayle Sayers and Kansas and we held Gayle to about 90 yards but Floyd scored 5 touchdowns. he put on a show like you’ve never seen.”
Dino couldn’t get a word in edgewise but I doubt he minded. JB: “I’ve enjoyed watching your team start to develop. I enjoyed being entertaining and watched a lot of promising stuff. You don’t build a football program in a year. Alabama and Ohio State always have players even when they lose 4-5 games. It takes at least three recruiting years.”
Dino repeated his saying “The lion isn’t king of the jungle. It’s the Hippos and the Elephants. You have to get those offensive and defensive linemen and they have to reach maturity.” JB: “You can get linemen who are 6-4 250 and you have to turn them into 6-4 300. You need to redshirt them and by their third year they start to be productive. You’re not going to recruit the 6-6 300 pound guy if Alabama wants them. You need to find the guy who could be good and build them up. Nobody wants to hear that. But if you talk about that, they say you are bad-mouthing the players.”
Matt asked Dino if he’d learned anything from watching coach Boeheim. DB: “He reminds me of guys I followed growing up. Whether you agree or disagree with him, his points make sense. You get a picture of the team. You obviously need good players to be good but it’s about coaching average players to be better and better players to be really good. Last year we saw the team without Coach and what they accomplished with him. I was amazed watching the zone and suddenly they would trap. I loved the unpredictability of it. I love chess more than checkers.”
JB: Some things work and some don’t. It’s the experience factor. It’s a little easier to change something if you’ve seen the situation before. Hubie Brown is one of the best tacticians I’ve ever seen. He knew how to put his players into a position where they could make plays. When guys execute plays offensively and defensively you can win. When they don’t people wonder why you didn’t do something else. You didn’t coach any better when it works.. The players made the plays. It’s the nature of coaching. Winning covers up everything. You can do a great job but if you lose it doesn’t matter. Everybody knows how to coach. You need to get good players.”
Dino noted that Jim was “on his 8th head football coach, (this would be since Jim came in 1962, as it would have to include Schwartzwalder).he liked JB’s philosophy: the coach has to put the player in a position to make plays. At this point Jim left and Dino got his show back.
Matt announced that the first 20,000 people to attend the Florida State game would get a Floyd Little bobble head. Floyd was sitting with the coach’s daughter Breeahnah, whom Matt asked to pat Floyd on the head to see if it bobbled. (I’m guessing it did, after a fashion). Matt noted that Floyd played against Florida State the first time they ever came to Syracuse and rushed for 193 yards and 3 TDs. Dino: “I’ll take two.” He comments how Floyd, like all the great runners, looked like he could still play years after his career was over.
I called in my question asking what SU’s concussion protocol was, acknowledging that he could not talk about specific players. He surprised me by saying that he was also not allowed to discuss the protocol itself but said that I could read it on SU’s website, as every school is required to post it to their internet site. I found it here: https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/concussionpolicySyracuse2015.pdf
This paragraph described the so called “three concussion rule::
“Any student-athlete with two documented time-loss concussions of any length while at
Syracuse University receives a letter from the Assistant Director of Athletics for Sports
Medicine, outlining their concussion history and the recommendations from the physician
that another concussion may disqualify the student-athlete from further participation in
contact sports at Syracuse University. The head coach is also copied on this letter which is
also acknowledged by the student-athlete with their signature.”
You wonder if Eric Dungey has received such a letter. The entire document shows that the rulings on individual cases will depend on the details of those cases.
Matt did the “Injury Report”. Steven Clark is definitely out for FSU and Eric Dungey is “doubtful”.
Dino: “At this time of year, if you don’t have the numbers right, you’ll get banged up. It’s the physicality of his game that makes it America’s #1 sport. Once we get the numbers up and the players mature, we’ll be OK.
Liam in Pompey, of course, wanted coach’s assessment of the officiating, especially on the chop block call and the interference call on franklin. Coach Babers repeated what he had said in the presser and told Brent Axe this afternoon: that he doesn’t make enough money to afford the fines he’d get for complaining. He did offer this: “The great thing about being human is that you’re not perfect and I’d say the officials fall into that category.”
John in Baltimore asked what coach’s recruiting philosophy was, especially about defensive backs for the Tampa 2- doesn’t it require big backs? DB: You “You always want to try to get as big a player as possible who can still move at the speed of the game. The d-backs are our support players to get us off the field. Players like Antwan Cordy and Davion Ellison are undersized for the Tampa 2but they hit so hard and have such huge hearts they can play the game even at their size. But smaller players tend to get injured more.”
Ralph in Camillus thanked the coach for coming here. he asked about the recruiting class of 2017. He knew that the coach couldn’t comment on individual players but wondered what kind of player the coach was looking for as they try to fill out the class. DB: “We considered the 2016 and 107 classes tighter as the foundation of our program. W had 60 days to put together the 20166 class. Taken together, they give us 25-35 to be that foundation. Some guys are so exciting they can go right into the line-up. Some are promising but have to be redshirted. Others don’t turn out to be as good as you thought. The remaining scholarships will go to certain individuals with certain skills. They will tend to be higher rated than the ones we’ve recruited so far. They will be guys who can help us right away, unless they are offensive linemen.”
Pat in Cicero thanked the coach for choosing Syracuse. He acknowledged that the crowds have been disappointing but “if you build it, they will come back”. (I’m sure Dino appreciated the movie reference.)
Pat said that he’d always wondered why we didn’t use 5 wide-outs playing in the Dome and now that we have that kind of offense “it will be awesome”. DB: “It’s still important to be consistent and fundamentally sound in technique. We are working on a foundation. If you are a plumber you’ve got to know how to use the tools in your tool belts. That’s what our players have to learn. Then the fun can really begin. It will begin between the 4th and 6th games of the second year. The stuff we are teaching them is different from what they have bene taught before. They are getting it but they are still thinking through it. Next year they won’t have to think about it. “
Floyd was passing out buttons that said “Roll the Noles”. Coach said they were considering using “Stop the Chop”. It’s probably a good idea Coach didn’t go around wearing a button that said that. He might be fined.
Pete in Solvay wondered if there were any defensive changes contemplated for Florida State. Will we still be in the Tampa 2? Also, did he feel his job might be in jeopardy if he lost these last two games.? (So we have to worry about Babers getting fired as well as worrying about whether he’ll be poached?)
Dino said that in his 31 years as coach, he’d had a multi-year contract in about 6 years. “if you don’t do well, you will be asked to do it somewhere else.” He added that he didn’t want to say too much about his strategy because people might be listening, as Wake Forest accused Louisville of doing. He said the Tampa 2 is “a seven man front with 2 safeties” but that he can shift to “an 8 man front with single pressures” if they have trouble stopping the run. “The key is to stop the run and run the football when you want to. If you can’t you aren’t good enough and have to get better.”
The produced a discussion of Dalvin Cook, the Florida State running star. Coach “saw him running away from Clemson’s defensive backs who can flat run. He’s even better than the big guy from Texas, he said Leonard Fournette, (who is from Louisiana), “is also exceptional”. He said “The Big Moose Guys don’t come along very often. Give them the ball enough and they’ll win the game for you. But you’ve got to look for the quarterback, the wide receivers and the tight end – they’ll get theirs.” Coach was also impressed with the Seminole defense, including DeMarcus Walker, who has 11.5 sacks and that fact that they have “6 foot corners that can run”. He counted 48 recruiting stars on the Florida State team, ( I assume that was his assessment of the defense, we which he said was full of 4 and 5 star guys ) it’s interesting that most coaches poo-poo the star system for evaluating recruits but Babers apparently uses it to assess the overall talent on the other team.
Coach’s movie pick this week is “Remember the Titans”, especially the scene where the defensive coordinator walks up to the official and tells him to “Call if fair”. He’s told that he will never make the Hall of Fame but replies that he’ll skip the Hall of Fame if they will only call it fair. (Can you get fined for that?):
