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[QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 2060199, member: 2585"]
- Recruiting is always like that. We always overrate our classes (I suspect all fan bases do this).

- If we're agreeing that recruiting outside of the top 20 is kind of a crapshoot, and we're judging classes by on the field production - then I think we can agree that Marrone and Shafer failed us in recruiting. I'm not sure that says anything about the current staff or administration given they haven't been here for very long.

- Rutgers stunk, but comparing our seasons is a false equivalency of pretty big proportions.

- If you include the transfers, it's a much better class.

- The top 3 guys (DeVito, Pierce, Fagan) are all sure bets as to qualifying and being on campus (2 already are). That hasn't been said in years.

- We had a better class than NC State and they had a very good year.

- We've hired a bunch of recruiting positions, the IPF is paying off, and while the dome project stuff is quiet - it doesn't mean nothing is happening. We also know that a lot of the things Babers wants, he's getting and that Wildhack is understanding the problem.

Tipps problem (outside of punctuation and grammar) is that he expects immediate change. It takes time for people to realize how much of a dumpster fire the Ash hire was. It takes time for Babers to get what he needs and for the system to bear fruit.
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