the good ole duke boys

[STEVEHOLT]

You guys are nuts if you think Gonzaga isnt a legit final four contender. If I were Duke, I would be very afraid of them. That team can play. This is the best team they've had.

 

[kirbivore]

Strangely enough the Committee seems to favor games in Nov/Dec more than either the regular season or the conference tourney.

Not in 2006. SU went from wrong side of the bubble to a way overseeded #5 in 4 days

 

[SUintheVille]

The problem with that is the midwest regional is in Cleveland and the South is in Houston. Cleveland is about 380 miles from Lexington and Houston is nearly 1,000 miles from Lexington. Kentucky as the #1 overall seed deserved preferential location so I think they had to get Cleveland.

Plus UK gets to play their 1st 2 games at the KFC Yum Center in Louisville, a mere hour away from Lexington, not to mention the many UK fans that live in Louisville. It's 2 virtual home games for them. Ugh.

 

[bpo57]

Not in 2006. SU went from wrong side of the bubble to a way overseeded #5 in 4 days

Not in 2006. SU went from wrong side of the bubble to a way overseeded #5 in 4 days

Yeah that was 9 years ago. The criteria changes from year to year to fit their agenda.

 

[longtimefan]

Yeah that was 9 years ago. The criteria changes from year to year to fit their agenda.

And therein lies the central problem with the selection system.

The committee chooses/seeds subjectively, then uses a revolving set of criteria to justify their actions.

 

[BuffOrange]

I think it's totally valid to gripe about 2005 and 2010. They were lacking in quality wins outside of their gimmick gym and boosted their seed beating NIT teams in the ACCT. Complete joke as explained at length here previously.

Isn't this year sorta the opposite though? Their road resume' is so much better than everyone else. It's not like the teams we're talking about have 3 or 4 fewer losses to make up for that - it's 0 or 1 in the cases of AZ/Wisc/UVA. That's not enough of a difference to override the two best wins anyone has all year. If it is then they shouldn't bother playing any games before the New Year (which everyone complains about being meaningless).

 

[HOFCeluck]

lol @stole our title.

 

[tee1222]

 

[bpo57]

I think it's totally valid to gripe about 2005 and 2010. They were lacking in quality wins outside of their gimmick gym and boosted their seed beating NIT teams in the ACCT. Complete joke as explained at length here previously.

Isn't this year sorta the opposite though? Their road resume' is so much better than everyone else. It's not like the teams we're talking about have 3 or 4 fewer losses to make up for that - it's 0 or 1 in the cases of AZ/Wisc/UVA. That's not enough of a difference to override the two best wins anyone has all year. If it is then they shouldn't bother playing any games before the New Year (which everyone complains about being meaningless).

I think the Committee places way too much emphasis on games played 3-4 months ago. But i hear ya, they deserve credit for those wins. It's just kinda odd for a team to be a #1 seed that doesn't win the regular season title or get to the final of its conference tournament. Btw not a coincidence that they're on the other side of the bracket from UK. The NCAA is dreaming about the ratings bonanza from a UK-Duke final.

 

[RF2044]

You guys are nuts if you think Gonzaga isnt a legit final four contender. If I were Duke, I would be very afraid of them. That team can play. This is the best team they've had.

And they've got major league size.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think the Committee places way too much emphasis on games played 3-4 months ago. But i hear ya, they deserve credit for those wins. It's just kinda odd for a team to be a #1 seed that doesn't win the regular season title or get to the final of its conference tournament. Btw not a coincidence that they're on the other side of the bracket from UK. The NCAA is dreaming about the ratings bonanza from a UK-Duke final.

I know Georgetown is incredibly overrated as a 4, but Utah is by far and away the strongest 5. If they get through the first round I expect them to give Duke trouble. They will be able to keep up with Duke in a scoring contest if they reach the round of 16.

 

[RF2044]

I know Georgetown is incredibly overrated as a 4, but Utah is by far and away the strongest 5. If they get through the first round I expect them to give Duke trouble. They will be able to keep up with Duke in a scoring contest if they reach the round of 16.

Larry K. is a good coach. And their big men are very fundamentally sound [no surprise there, given that their head coach is a 6-10 former NBA player].

 

[HOFCeluck]

They were lacking in quality wins outside of their gimmick gym.

You know what's not a gimmick? Playing all your home games in a reconfigured football stadium.

 

[HOFCeluck]

BTW I have serious consideration to putting Utah in my final four. That region is wide open IMO.

 

[jncuse]

Utah has the resume of a team that is not a 5 - closer to a 7 or 6 by the standard metrics

Yet its ranked top 10 by KenPom, and has near that same ranking in the polls (More "eye testy")

So obviously it's a quality team that will knock out Eastern Washington in round 2. So in the end Duke will not get a massive break in in tound of 16 -- let's hope. Utah will be the one 5 I will be cheering for.

 

[Briancuse]

I know Georgetown is incredibly overrated as a 4, but Utah is by far and away the strongest 5. If they get through the first round I expect them to give Duke trouble. They will be able to keep up with Duke in a scoring contest if they reach the round of 16.

Your scaring me, I have sfu taking them out.

 

[Cuse House]

Your scaring me, I have sfu taking them out.

I have that picked as well. I never have confidence in the strength of the PAC 12. Obviously Arizona is good but besides them all of the PAC 12 teams make me nervous.

 

[jncuse]

I think the Pac 12 (Despite its limited teams) have been doing relatively well in the tourney in the past 3 or 4 years. But my memory can be certainly failing me on this one.

 

[pearl31]

you best keep drinking, y'all are gonna get summarily bounced pre f4 once again - Justin Anderson one handed ain't Justin Anderson --- and Uva ain't Uva

just sayin

 

[Fly Rodder]

Duke should get credit for what they did in Nov/Dec, but they're also playing with their 6th man from those teams who played capable minutes. I think they still have a top notch 1-5, but enough with the preferential treatment.