The hope of getting better in the veer

[kcsu]

And likely not very well. His few passes this season explain why he moved positions

We can hope

 

[CousCuse]

And likely not very well. His few passes this season explain why he moved positions

He can throw as well as Dungey or Shrader, Michigan didn't bring him in a QB prospect and he can't throw a forward pass.

 

[upperdeck]

the difference is that his throws as a QB are very different than his throws from the wildcat. he wont be sitting back in the wildcat trying to beat 7 man zone or man with safety help. Most of his wildcat throws will be to guys who just have to beat a guy and it will be mostly under 25 yd stuff.

We had 3 days to put the system in.. Not only is that a run blocking curve, Its a pass protection curve, but it also a pass route curve. The easiest throw of the game should have been to Allen for a Home run.. But Allen hasnt run that route more than a few times in practice. Now that they have film it easy to show that if he shallows that route out it becomes a simple throw to a wide open WR. Instead he ran it to the post which made it too vertical and also brings the safety back into the play.

another week of practice and they might a dozen more things we do out of the formations. We ran wildcat before but we never used these same sets. its like what teams do out of 1-3 personal and go big, but guys have to understand it.. We got the easy TD in the endzone from it and there will be plays to be made, you just have to make them.

 

[CousCuse]

the difference is that his throws as a QB are very different than his throws from the wildcat. he wont be sitting back in the wildcat trying to beat 7 man zone or man with safety help. Most of his wildcat throws will be to guys who just have to beat a guy and it will be mostly under 25 yd stuff.

We had 3 days to put the system in.. Not only is that a run blocking curve, Its a pass protection curve, but it also a pass route curve. The easiest throw of the game should have been to Allen for a Home run.. But Allen hasnt run that route more than a few times in practice. Now that they have film it easy to show that if he shallows that route out it becomes a simple throw to a wide open WR. Instead he ran it to the post which made it too vertical and also brings the safety back into the play.

another week of practice and they might a dozen more things we do out of the formations. We ran wildcat before but we never used these same sets. its like what teams do out of 1-3 personal and go big, but guys have to understand it.. We got the easy TD in the endzone from it and there will be plays to be made, you just have to make them.

A reverse or double reverse could yield a big play or 2 with them stacking the box.

 

[PhatOrange]

He can throw as well as Dungey or Shrader, Michigan didn't bring him in a QB prospect and he can't throw a forward pass.

Right. So then why did the staff change his position?

Cause if what you speculate is true then that would mean he should’ve been pushing Shrader to be the starter.

He throws as good as our starter, runs as good as our starter; which added together means he’s better than all the backups, yet we’ll move him to tight end. Roger that.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Come at them with some more razzle dazzle

Are you dropping a hint on who you want for the next coach?

 

[CousCuse]

Right. So then why did the staff change his position?

Cause if what you speculate is true then that would mean he should’ve been pushing Shrader to be the starter.

He throws as good as our starter, runs as good as our starter; which added together means he’s better than all the backups, yet we’ll move him to tight end. Roger that.

The coaching staff is still trying or has been trying, to install a pass first offense where you throw the ball 30+ times with a lot of precision timing and throws. I don't think Dan, or Shrader are suited for that. In a run first wildcat, your talking more like 15 passes and those are decided by the OC, not on check downs. He can do that.

 

[AZOrange]

Are you dropping a hint on who you want for the next coach?

Nah I’m more black and white

 

[Eric15]

If Carlos is healthy this week, put him in there with Shrader, Villari and LQ. Go full on Mad Hatter.

100% agree. Carlos making safe, high-percentage throws needs to be at least somewhat of a threat so we aren't running the ball against 11 in the box.

 

[tep624]

A thread I never thought I'd see on a Syracuse message board in my lifetime.

Ugh.

 

[Nicknack]

I wasn't actually sober watching the Pitt game. Therefore, I really don't know... did we run the option at all? If so, I completely missed it. All I remember is up the middle essentially. Seems to me if Shafer can't thrown but can run, why not add that wrinkle?

I actually miss a good dose of option - takes me back to when I became a diehard orange fan watching McNabb and company.

 

[kcsu]

GT is going to need to stuff the box, or we will steam roll them. Once they do that Dan is a good enough thrower to take advantage. This game will as they always do come down to turnovers field position and our D.

 

[wfschrec]

Yep, it also helped that Pitt is a complete dumpster fire right now. GT isn’t great but they’re a lot better than Pitt and their bowl hopes are on the line Saturday. We’re going to have to be able to complete a forward pass to have a chance.

The one benefit we have is GT is the worst in the ACC against the run. Pitts ranking is a little skewed because based on avg allowed per game we put up nearly 2.5 games worth of rushing yardage.

 

[David321]

Keep running the ball and roll out some all hitches when they inevitably load the box to keep them honest.

 

[mark79]

Keep running the ball and roll out some all hitches when they inevitably load the box to keep them honest.

That’s my thought as well. Have someone always available for a dump off in the flat and that will be one less person to help stop the run. And go to that early and often to keep them honest.

 

[upperdeck]

I wasn't actually sober watching the Pitt game. Therefore, I really don't know... did we run the option at all? If so, I completely missed it. All I remember is up the middle essentially. Seems to me if Shafer can't thrown but can run, why not add that wrinkle?

I actually miss a good dose of option - takes me back to when I became a diehard orange fan watching McNabb and company.

we ran the R-NoP-O.

 

[Cuse181]

Do you really think it’s gonna be that hard to stop? The guy behind center is taking the snap and running straight ahead.

Wiscy did that for 20 years and it worked out pretty good. Better talent but it worked

 

[Cuseregular]

I wasn't actually sober watching the Pitt game. Therefore, I really don't know... did we run the option at all? If so, I completely missed it. All I remember is up the middle essentially. Seems to me if Shafer can't thrown but can run, why not add that wrinkle?

I actually miss a good dose of option - takes me back to when I became a diehard orange fan watching McNabb and company.

Time to roll out some old school freeze option throws!

 

[upperdeck]

Todays story about 2 days to get the scheme in place shows how much they got done in so little time. Formations and buy in from players.

Might not work this week.. It might work and still lose. But the team came together which is always great to see.

The D needs to come as inspired this week.

 

[zjscuse]

100% agree. Carlos making safe, high-percentage throws needs to be at least somewhat of a threat so we aren't running the ball against 11 in the box.

Here’s the thing…… he can’t

 

[orangecuse]

Time to roll out some old school freeze option throws!

Loved that freeze option...and you know what, it consistently worked when we had some of our best teams with Graves, DMac and McNabb. I'm likely an outlier here, but I'd be a fan of bringing this type of O back on a regular basis. It was somewhat hard to defend and kept our opponents guessing quite a bit.

Moreover, the overall talent discrepancies we often and consistently seemingly face, especially on the O line, is all the more reason to give it a shot. SU really never has had top rated recruiting classes, and it's highly improbable that they ever will. So, IMO, this may be the best way in leveling out the field so to speak.

There's not much to lose at this point, IMO, as we 've been relatively irrelevant now for some two and half decades or so.

 

[orangemass]

Come at them with some more razzle dazzle

Tricks embedded in trick plays. Quadruple reverses with a flea flick on top

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I think the last 2 games were the gift trainwreck opponents and the next 2 will be tough.

One of the problems with Villari throwing more is that he can’t pass to himself. We might need Shrader to be a full on WR because these guys aren’t good. It’s a nice matchup having Shrader on the field and the D have to account for him vs a weak handed WR.