The importance of transition

[Cusefannotindc]

I am not sure it is as cut and dry as it seems. Obviously this isn't perfectly analogous, but on the 17 possessions that began with steals for SU, they scored 20 points or 1.17 per possession, on the rest of the possessions that scored 1.55 points per possession.

What I guess would be the best way to measure half court offense would be to look at after Seton Hall makes, in that case, SU average 1.05 points per possession.

 

[Knicks411]

I am not sure it is as cut and dry as it seems. Obviously this isn't perfectly analogous, but on the 17 possessions that began with steals for SU, they scored 20 points or 1.17 per possession, on the rest of the possessions that scored 1.55 points per possession.

Is that really true? Seems crazy we were a lot more efficient when they didn't get steals.

We scored 1.12 points per possession last night, so I don't think those numbers are right?

 

[Cusefannotindc]

Is that really true? Seems crazy we were a lot more efficient when they didn't get steals.

We scored 1.12 points per possession last night, so I don't think those numbers are right?

Weird. I have it at 1.16.

67 FGA - 17 OR + 7 TO + 7.6 (16 FT * .475) = 64.6 possession
75 points/64.6 possession = 1.16

 

[Knicks411]

I just pulled the numbers from the Pomeroy site; I think he averages the possession total for both teams?

 

[moqui]

I have an e-mail in to Ken Pomeroy, asking him if it is possible to partial out transition scoring from his offensive efficiency ratings and then give a ranking of teams' half court offense. It will be interesting to see how things compare at that point, if he can do it.

That would be awesome. I'm not sure how it could exactly be done, it's sometimes hard to define transition, but I guess if they do it for the points already...

heard back from Pomeroy - he used to do it for teams when he had his consulting business; it's pretty labor intensive, but he will try to do it for the top ten or so teams when we get closer to the tournament.

 

[AZOrange]

SU outscored SHU 26-3 on fast break points last night

in other words, in the half court game, the score was 49-46

any team - any team - that takes care of the ball has the potential to give the Orange trouble. and make no mistake about it - there are several of those teams on the schedule, including nearly every potential opponent beyond the Round of 64 come March Madness.

We know what this team does well, and we know it is fun to watch when it gets rolling. But if you want to assess the potential for success in March and April, pay your closest attention to the development of the half court offense. That is the last piece of the puzzle.

I dont know, I heard similar arguments about Tiger Woods and how he is just an average player if you take out the Par 5s. I mean I guess you can analyze it that way, I think Simpkins (or the other announcer) said we had a big first half lead and the second half was about even score-wise so they chose to analyze it that way).

But I think the hardest thing for us to analyze as fans with respect to this team is that we generally rely on offense and hope our defense works. Hoping Devo is going to make a play on D is a lot different than hoping Dion will. WE are built on the defensive end and players are bought into that. That makes this team fundamentally different.