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Message: [QUOTE="Eric15, post: 3375265, member: 676"] Were the early 2000s Pistons and 90s Knicks really like the Bad Boy Pistons in terms of basically trying to hurt people? Maybe they were but I just don't remember it. I've seen interviews with Larry Bird and Kareem who to this day still hate Bill Laimbeer. Playing physical defense is great, but going out of your way to do things like undercut players when they jump which could destroy their career is above and beyond. [/QUOTE]