The Next 3 Weeks will define the future

[orangmannc1]

You do know we had the 8th best portal class in 2024.
We are not the little sisters of the poor.
Last we did get crushd in the portal and missed ALOT.
I believe that has been corrected and we will see some action very early on for the good, just a feeling.
Yes you will have teams, Texas Tech, throw out millions for a defensive line and QBs getting PAID.
We still have enough money to compete to get good pieces like Cook, Peel, Angeli, and Bryant (didn't fit want we wanted him to do in the defense but still a great player).
It's not all doom and gloom.

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[Ttk.gman2]

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He was obviously talking about ON3 which we were 8th in the portal rankings.

 

[PAcuse]

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Yes my apologises. I go to On3 for all of that stuff and should have sited my source.

 

[Irt4su]

Anyone of our players follow EROB and Nunez?

 

[shu 49]

The ACC will not exist in its current form in 2030

The roster lacks talent and depth

The coaching staff can’t coach up

Fran’s so called recruiting acumen is quickly being exposed

Fran better fill the roster via the portal or it is over

I think u can step off the cliff now.

 

[cusefan88]

Anyone of our players follow EROB and Nunez?

I honestly don't think any of the DL would crack the rotation at Texas A&M.

 

[swish7]

Explain these 4 points. I’m not following. Define what over would mean?

In the spirit of Christmas, I'll take a stab at this.

1a - the roster lacks talent... 3-9 speaks for itself

1b - the roster lacks depth... 3-9 speaks for itself

2 - the coaching staff cannot coach up... 3-9 speaks for itself. The only unit that improved this year was special teams.

3 - FBs recruiting acumen being exposed... this one is harder, but some of his sig dudes either not panning out, leaving, or entering the portal are part of that argument I assume.

4 - FB better fill the roster or its over (& what does 'over' mean?)... if he doesn't knock it out of the park in the portal, and all our portal dudes leave, its over. Toossii can only do so much. 'Over' would be a couple more 3, 4, 5 win seasons and an end to the FB era.

This is where it gets murky

I expect him to have some wins in the portal. Its his strongest point. But, I also expect a big sell job, like we got w some of his signature dudes that are now portaling.

So, its important to focus on the results & what you see on the field.

I am excited about the new DC. I expect a 10 point swing per game on better tackling angles alone. But, do expect struggles, unless we somehow do well in the portal.

Very concerned about the O. We'll see how much of the 10 win season was bc of Nixon or McCord/Pena/Allen.

So, we'll see.

If the portal is all duds, & we're then fully dependent on elite coaching acumen, trying times are ahead.

Should be an exciting 30ish days.

 

[baggerbob]

In the spirit of Christmas, I'll take a stab at this.

1a - the roster lacks talent... 3-9 speaks for itself

1b - the roster lacks depth... 3-9 speaks for itself

2 - the coaching staff cannot coach up... 3-9 speaks for itself. The only unit that improved this year was special teams.

3 - FBs recruiting acumen being exposed... this one is harder, but some of his sig dudes either not panning out, leaving, or entering the portal are part of that argument I assume.

4 - FB better fill the roster or its over (& what does 'over' mean?)... if he doesn't knock it out of the park in the portal, and all our portal dudes leave, its over. Toossii can only do so much. 'Over' would be a couple more 3, 4, 5 win seasons and an end to the FB era.

This is where it gets murky

I expect him to have some wins in the portal. He's seemingly always succeed here.

I expect a big sell job.

So, its important to focus on the results & what you see on the field.

I am excited about the new DC. I expect a 10 point swing per game on better tackling angles alone. But, do expect struggles, unless we somehow do well in the portal.

Very concerned about the O. We'll see how much of the 10 win season was bc of Nixon or McCord/Pena/Allen.

So, we'll see.

If the portal is all duds, & we're then fully dependent on elite coaching acumen, trying times are ahead.

Should be an exciting 30ish days.

Not sold on Nixon as OC Beck when he had a season ending injury, at least was able to create some offense, and win a couple of games. Nixon has shown no ability to do anything offensively unless he has all the right pieces.
The offense the last 8 games should have got him fired.

 

[SUDadx2]

It matters who we bring in, but ultimately it comes down to coaching—developing players and putting them in the right system and schemes. These are all talented athletes who reached Division I football, but talent alone isn’t enough if it isn’t maximized. The players we bring in through the portal and high school need to be coached up and placed in the right positions when the ball is snapped, because even the most talented roster won’t succeed without proper development. With the upgrades across the coaching staff, I think we’ll see clear improvement, and a stronger defense and offensive line will be the key factors that make or break our season next year.

Who and what you bring in matters. I haven’t been able to keep up with who has declared their intention to hit the portal so I’m not sure WHAT positions we need. We also have an ouch new coaches to not know what schemes we will be running; a base defense and blocking schemes.

But, IMO it all starts with the evaluation of players. Fran like size and speed, but not all speed (track speed) translates to football speed. Football is a game of short explosive bursts and change of direction.

We cannot affford to “miss” again on a quarterback cause there is no guarantee when Angeli will be able to compete. I hope he can get work in no contracts drills in spring ball.

Spring ball… do we have enough players to have a spring game?

 

[JeremyCuse]

The ACC will not exist in its current form in 2030

The roster lacks talent and depth

The coaching staff can’t coach up

Fran’s so called recruiting acumen is quickly being exposed

Fran better fill the roster via the portal or it is over

Syracuse needs a good run the next 4-5 years as the B12 is a very likely to come calling. Both sports need to be in good spots, dont need titles but no more repeats of this past year.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Syracuse needs a good run the next 4-5 years as the B12 is a very likely to come calling. Both sports need to be in good spots, dont need titles but no more repeats of this past year.

If the B12 comes calling we shouldn’t answer. It doesn’t close the gap with the B1G/SEC. We add a ton of travel. We play schools that are nothing like us making it even harder to win.

The programs (FB and Bball) are better off staying in a left overs ACC even if it means less money. In the end your competition is IN conference not OUT of conference. If you make the same as your like minded conference mates you can be successful.

The B12 is the minor leagues. Does it matter if you are in AAA or AA?

I rather be in JMU’s shoes than WVU’s for FB. Or Seton Hall’s than WVU in Bball.

 

[JeremyCuse]

If the B12 comes calling we shouldn’t answer. It doesn’t close the gap with the B1G/SEC. We add a ton of travel. We play schools that are nothing like us making it even harder to win.

The programs (FB and Bball) are better off staying in a left overs ACC even if it means less money. In the end your competition is IN conference not OUT of conference. If you make the same as your like minded conference mates you can be successful.

The B12 is the minor leagues. Does it matter if you are in AAA or AA?

I rather be in JMU’s shoes than WVU’s for FB. Or Seton Hall’s than WVU in Bball.

The Acc will eventually implode, once UNC and UCA bolt it's gonna be game over. B12 would be the next best option and the last real power conference option.

JMU has had a nice run but it's not sustainable. You sure as hell dont wanna be in their shoes. Their coach has been poached "again" plus they are getting a fraction of the payout then what WVU is or Syracuse currently. Theres no future if your not in a power conference, Full stop

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Who and what you bring in matters. I haven’t been able to keep up with who has declared their intention to hit the portal so I’m not sure WHAT positions we need. We also have an ouch new coaches to not know what schemes we will be running; a base defense and blocking schemes.

But, IMO it all starts with the evaluation of players. Fran like size and speed, but not all speed (track speed) translates to football speed. Football is a game of short explosive bursts and change of direction.

We cannot affford to “miss” again on a quarterback cause there is no guarantee when Angeli will be able to compete. I hope he can get work in no contracts drills in spring ball.

Spring ball… do we have enough players to have a spring game?

We have enough for a spring game and remember we have 27 true freshman coming in lol and the portal class.

 

[Orangello]

I'm confident the defense will be significantly better. The key to the whole enchilada for me is the O Line. Must improve otherwise, Angelli will likely get hurt again and we can wash, rinse repeat this season. With an actual serviceable backup QB maybe the odds improve. I believe Fran is both persistent and resilient, two qualities I associate with success.

The BB coach hire after this season is going to determine a lot about where we wind up. That we have allowed the BB franchise to slip this badly is shameful.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The Acc will eventually implode, once UNC and UCA bolt it's gonna be game over. B12 would be the next best option and the last real power conference option.

JMU has had a nice run but it's not sustainable. You sure as hell dont wanna be in their shoes. Their coach has been poached "again" plus they are getting a fraction of the payout then what WVU is or Syracuse currently. Theres no future if your not in a power conference, Full stop

The B12 wouldn’t be a power conference. That is like the AAC calling itself a P6.

If you aren’t at the big boy table then winning and regionally should trump a fist full of dollars.

Does SU athletics exist to win or to make as much money as possible? IMO a move to the B12 would be the final death of our programs.

 

[JeremyCuse]

The B12 wouldn’t be a power conference. That is like the AAC calling itself a P6.

If you aren’t at the big boy table then winning and regionally should trump a fist full of dollars.

Does SU athletics exist to win or to make as much money as possible? IMO a move to the B12 would be the final death of our programs.

B12 and the acc are essentially on the same level now, they are absolutely a power conference and would especially after adding multiple programs from the Acc.

The death knell would be going from 40+ mill a year to 5-7 in the Big East. Syracuse would 100% pursue a B12 invite.

 

[Orangepace]

Football is a very unique sport. It is unlike no other team sport not even hockey in that the succes of the entire team is for the most part determined by the success of one player, the quarterback.
Without a good QB teams are at best almost always going to be average. I don't think there has ever been a team in college or the pros that has consistently won at a high level without a good QB.
Teams with great quarterback play can achieve success well beyond their overall talent level. And teams with great QB play that have overall strong rosters win championships.

The success of Syracuse football is so dependent on its QB and always will be. We are like 90% of the programs in college football never going to have a roster strong enough to overcome poor let alone terrible QB play. I believe that if Steve had remained healthy that Syracuse had a legitimate chance to make the ACC championship game. 7 wins was my floor.
Next season is going to go as Steve goes. If he comes back and picks up where he left off we are going to have a good season. If he comes back and we add a few important pieces we can make a run.
It's all about the QB and always will be with almost every team in college or professional football.

Ken Dorsey?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

B12 and the acc are essentially on the same level now, they are absolutely a power conference and would especially after adding multiple programs from the Acc.

The death knell would be going from 40+ mill a year to 5-7 in the Big East. Syracuse would 100% pursue a B12 invite.

The only way the B12 makes sense is if there are divisions of 5-6 teams (but then the NCAA has to approve multi team conference playoffs). Pods of 3-4 or no divisions at all would kill our program. A Northeastern division of 5-6 teams we can have an identity and be successful.

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The ACC and B12 aren't close to the same. The B12 is full of football schools. The ACC has academic and BBall schools.

Again once the B1G and SEC pick off the last B12/ACC brands what is left over is NOT a power conference. It becomes a G7. Best G7 by far but still a G7. It is a minor league conference.

No ACC team is paying the buyout to go to the B12. There is no benefit. So we are here for another 10 years.

What does it matter if you get $50M a year if you are playing against teams that also get $50M AND can pay outside NIL well above what we can? All that money doesn't bring success.

I rather make $10M a year and play in a conference with like minded schools where we can win championships. It doesn't make us any less competitive because 11 out of our 12 games are against teams making the SAME amount of money or less. The SEC teams can be making $250M a year and it will have ZERO impact on our competitiveness.

Yes, we won't be able to retain our players but that still happens if we make $50M a year. So in the end it makes no difference.

Does SU athletics exist to make as much money as possible or to win games? People will not support a B12 program to see a 5-7 record every year with no chance at the CCG.

Even in the B1G we have a better chance at a 7-5 record than in the B12. The bottom 75% of the B12 is much better than the bottom 75% of the B1G. And at least we have name programs coming to the Dome to pique interest even if we stink. It is major league football so people will still buy in.

If/when the ACC loses a bunch of teams, Stanford and Cal will join the PAC and not the B12 for the same reasons that we should stay behind in a new ACC made up of the top Eastern left behinds. In terms of money is the PAC/ACC worse than the B12? Sure. But in terms of competitiveness it is better to be in the PAC/ACC.

With all those exit fees and NCAAT credits, I think SU/BC/Pitt/Wake and whomever else is left are certainly better off in an ACC 5.0 than the B12.

Trying to climb over 24 other schools to win in FB or BBall is a lot harder than climbing over 10. It is why so many programs are struggling in these super conference in both sports.

Back when we were good we played 5 toss up games (3 in conference, 2 OOC), 2 should win games (1 in and 1 out), and 4 cupcake games (3 in and 1 out). So if we went .500 in our toss up we were 8-2-1. Now we play 2 cupcakes (both OOC) and 10 toss ups (9 conf and 1 OOC). That is 2x the amount of toss ups. If we go .500 in the toss ups (which is hard), we end up with a 7-5 record. So with 1 more game we have 1 less W. And that would be a good season.

As for BBall it wasn't a coincidence that everyone in the Big East became better after the split. They were no longer lost/buried in the super conference.


No one pursues the B12. They only go as a last resort.

 

[Ttk.gman2]

The only way the B12 makes sense is if there are divisions of 5-6 teams (but then the NCAA has to approve multi team conference playoffs). Pods of 3-4 or no divisions at all would kill our program. A Northeastern division of 5-6 teams we can have an identity and be successful.

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The ACC and B12 aren't close to the same. The B12 is full of football schools. The ACC has academic and BBall schools.

Again once the B1G and SEC pick off the last B12/ACC brands what is left over is NOT a power conference. It becomes a G7. Best G7 by far but still a G7. It is a minor league conference.

No ACC team is paying the buyout to go to the B12. There is no benefit. So we are here for another 10 years.

What does it matter if you get $50M a year if you are playing against teams that also get $50M AND can pay outside NIL well above what we can? All that money doesn't bring success.

I rather make $10M a year and play in a conference with like minded schools where we can win championships. It doesn't make us any less competitive because 11 out of our 12 games are against teams making the SAME amount of money or less. The SEC teams can be making $250M a year and it will have ZERO impact on our competitiveness.

Yes, we won't be able to retain our players but that still happens if we make $50M a year. So in the end it makes no difference.

Does SU athletics exist to make as much money as possible or to win games? People will not support a B12 program to see a 5-7 record every year with no chance at the CCG.

Even in the B1G we have a better chance at a 7-5 record than in the B12. The bottom 75% of the B12 is much better than the bottom 75% of the B1G. And at least we have name programs coming to the Dome to pique interest even if we stink. It is major league football so people will still buy in.

If/when the ACC loses a bunch of teams, Stanford and Cal will join the PAC and not the B12 for the same reasons that we should stay behind in a new ACC made up of the top Eastern left behinds. In terms of money is the PAC/ACC worse than the B12? Sure. But in terms of competitiveness it is better to be in the PAC/ACC.

With all those exit fees and NCAAT credits, I think SU/BC/Pitt/Wake and whomever else is left are certainly better off in an ACC 5.0 than the B12.

Trying to climb over 24 other schools to win in FB or BBall is a lot harder than climbing over 10. It is why so many programs are struggling in these super conference in both sports.

Back when we were good we played 5 toss up games (3 in conference, 2 OOC), 2 should win games (1 in and 1 out), and 4 cupcake games (3 in and 1 out). So if we went .500 in our toss up we were 8-2-1. Now we play 2 cupcakes (both OOC) and 10 toss ups (9 conf and 1 OOC). That is 2x the amount of toss ups. If we go .500 in the toss ups (which is hard), we end up with a 7-5 record. So with 1 more game we have 1 less W. And that would be a good season.

As for BBall it wasn't a coincidence that everyone in the Big East became better after the split. They were no longer lost/buried in the super conference.


No one pursues the B12. They only go as a last resort.

So the sport is pretty much dead after the super leagues form?

 

[JeremyCuse]

The only way the B12 makes sense is if there are divisions of 5-6 teams (but then the NCAA has to approve multi team conference playoffs). Pods of 3-4 or no divisions at all would kill our program. A Northeastern division of 5-6 teams we can have an identity and be successful.

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The ACC and B12 aren't close to the same. The B12 is full of football schools. The ACC has academic and BBall schools.

Again once the B1G and SEC pick off the last B12/ACC brands what is left over is NOT a power conference. It becomes a G7. Best G7 by far but still a G7. It is a minor league conference.

No ACC team is paying the buyout to go to the B12. There is no benefit. So we are here for another 10 years.

What does it matter if you get $50M a year if you are playing against teams that also get $50M AND can pay outside NIL well above what we can? All that money doesn't bring success.

I rather make $10M a year and play in a conference with like minded schools where we can win championships. It doesn't make us any less competitive because 11 out of our 12 games are against teams making the SAME amount of money or less. The SEC teams can be making $250M a year and it will have ZERO impact on our competitiveness.

Yes, we won't be able to retain our players but that still happens if we make $50M a year. So in the end it makes no difference.

Does SU athletics exist to make as much money as possible or to win games? People will not support a B12 program to see a 5-7 record every year with no chance at the CCG.

Even in the B1G we have a better chance at a 7-5 record than in the B12. The bottom 75% of the B12 is much better than the bottom 75% of the B1G. And at least we have name programs coming to the Dome to pique interest even if we stink. It is major league football so people will still buy in.

If/when the ACC loses a bunch of teams, Stanford and Cal will join the PAC and not the B12 for the same reasons that we should stay behind in a new ACC made up of the top Eastern left behinds. In terms of money is the PAC/ACC worse than the B12? Sure. But in terms of competitiveness it is better to be in the PAC/ACC.

With all those exit fees and NCAAT credits, I think SU/BC/Pitt/Wake and whomever else is left are certainly better off in an ACC 5.0 than the B12.

Trying to climb over 24 other schools to win in FB or BBall is a lot harder than climbing over 10. It is why so many programs are struggling in these super conference in both sports.

Back when we were good we played 5 toss up games (3 in conference, 2 OOC), 2 should win games (1 in and 1 out), and 4 cupcake games (3 in and 1 out). So if we went .500 in our toss up we were 8-2-1. Now we play 2 cupcakes (both OOC) and 10 toss ups (9 conf and 1 OOC). That is 2x the amount of toss ups. If we go .500 in the toss ups (which is hard), we end up with a 7-5 record. So with 1 more game we have 1 less W. And that would be a good season.

As for BBall it wasn't a coincidence that everyone in the Big East became better after the split. They were no longer lost/buried in the super conference.


No one pursues the B12. They only go as a last resort.

Sorry but I have to disagree with almost everything you just noted. Your points would make more sense if it was 2006 vs 2026.

School/conference make up ie bball and academic schools vs football schools is now essentially meaningless. Every D1 fball schools goal (save for service academies) is to be in the best conference possible with the most payout, full stop. Without a high end conference affiliation it's going to be almost impossible for most schools to have the 20.5 mill a year to pay NIL for players. Syracuse certainly would be beyond screwed.

B10 and SEC adding schools eventually will strictly be from the ACC, they could have added anyone they wanted from the B12 previously, there's a reason they didn't. The buyout will be meaningless once core teams leave the entire league will implode, FSU or CLemson leaving isn't the issue its UVA and UNC, once they bolt the conference itself is unsustainable.



I rather make $10M a year and play in a conference with like minded schools where we can win championships. It doesn't make us any less competitive because 11 out of our 12 games are against teams making the SAME amount of money or less. The SEC teams can be making $250M a year and it will have ZERO impact on our competitiveness. - Syracuse athletics can't survive on 10 million a year, what championships are we going win, the patriot league? The lack of money coming in will make the big 3 and the olympic sports totally uncompetitive. In what world can we compete with facilities, NIL, and salaries with a Big East conference payout vs the ACC/B12 much less B10 or the SEC.



Does SU athletics exist to make as much money as possible or to win games? People will not support a B12 program to see a 5-7 record every year with no chance at the CCG. - Whose coming to the Dome to watch SU play Uconn, Wake, UMass and BC with essentially ad D1-AA roster? The JMU blueprint is not something can be emulated and their ability to make the playoff is essentially a loophole the B10 and Sec are going to close because those teams getting in cost their conference brethren and the non power schools have been getting dusted in the 1st round each year.

Even in the B1G we have a better chance at a 7-5 record than in the B12. The bottom 75% of the B12 is much better than the bottom 75% of the B1G. And at least we have name programs coming to the Dome to pique interest even if we stink. It is major league football so people will still buy in. - So it's a better to have name programs come in but you'd rather SU try some Indy version of the nightmare Uconn has or stay in a cobbled together conference with Wake, BC, UConn vs Playing BYU, Texas Tech, WVU, Houston etc.

If/when the ACC loses a bunch of teams, Stanford and Cal will join the PAC and not the B12 for the same reasons that we should stay behind in a new ACC made up of the top Eastern left behinds. In terms of money is the PAC/ACC worse than the B12? Sure. But in terms of competitiveness it is better to be in the PAC/ACC. - They will do everything they can to join the B12 for the same reason they bolted the PAC as soon as they got an ACC lifeline, there's no fn $$$ in the new PAC. Competitiveness is meaningless if there's no money. UConn just won 9 games but did it mostly against the sisters of the poor and lost their coach to Colorado State. Not Colorado not UCLA but Colorado State. Why, they don't have any $$$ coming in from a conference. UConn would join the ACC tomorrow even if meant they had to lose every fball game for the next 4 years, why, because of 45 million payout versus 7 or whatever the hell the BE is paying.

With all those exit fees and NCAAT credits, I think SU/BC/Pitt/Wake and whomever else is left are certainly better off in an ACC 5.0 than the B12. - Again they are not, that's a short term gain for a long term athletic death sentence. Syracuse the athletic dept would have to jettison multiple sports and would essentially become UB or Albany.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sorry but I have to disagree with almost everything you just noted. Your points would make more sense if it was 2006 vs 2026.

School/conference make up ie bball and academic schools vs football schools is now essentially meaningless. Every D1 fball schools goal (save for service academies) is to be in the best conference possible with the most payout, full stop. Without a high end conference affiliation it's going to be almost impossible for most schools to have the 20.5 mill a year to pay NIL for players. Syracuse certainly would be beyond screwed.

B10 and SEC adding schools eventually will strictly be from the ACC, they could have added anyone they wanted from the B12 previously, there's a reason they didn't. The buyout will be meaningless once core teams leave the entire league will implode, FSU or CLemson leaving isn't the issue its UVA and UNC, once they bolt the conference itself is unsustainable.



I rather make $10M a year and play in a conference with like minded schools where we can win championships. It doesn't make us any less competitive because 11 out of our 12 games are against teams making the SAME amount of money or less. The SEC teams can be making $250M a year and it will have ZERO impact on our competitiveness. - Syracuse athletics can't survive on 10 million a year, what championships are we going win, the patriot league? The lack of money coming in will make the big 3 and the olympic sports totally uncompetitive. In what world can we compete with facilities, NIL, and salaries with a Big East conference payout vs the ACC/B12 much less B10 or the SEC.



Does SU athletics exist to make as much money as possible or to win games? People will not support a B12 program to see a 5-7 record every year with no chance at the CCG. - Whose coming to the Dome to watch SU play Uconn, Wake, UMass and BC with essentially ad D1-AA roster? The JMU blueprint is not something can be emulated and their ability to make the playoff is essentially a loophole the B10 and Sec are going to close because those teams getting in cost their conference brethren and the non power schools have been getting dusted in the 1st round each year.

Even in the B1G we have a better chance at a 7-5 record than in the B12. The bottom 75% of the B12 is much better than the bottom 75% of the B1G. And at least we have name programs coming to the Dome to pique interest even if we stink. It is major league football so people will still buy in. - So it's a better to have name programs come in but you'd rather SU try some Indy version of the nightmare Uconn has or stay in a cobbled together conference with Wake, BC, UConn vs Playing BYU, Texas Tech, WVU, Houston etc.

If/when the ACC loses a bunch of teams, Stanford and Cal will join the PAC and not the B12 for the same reasons that we should stay behind in a new ACC made up of the top Eastern left behinds. In terms of money is the PAC/ACC worse than the B12? Sure. But in terms of competitiveness it is better to be in the PAC/ACC. - They will do everything they can to join the B12 for the same reason they bolted the PAC as soon as they got an ACC lifeline, there's no fn $$$ in the new PAC. Competitiveness is meaningless if there's no money. UConn just won 9 games but did it mostly against the sisters of the poor and lost their coach to Colorado State. Not Colorado not UCLA but Colorado State. Why, they don't have any $$$ coming in from a conference. UConn would join the ACC tomorrow even if meant they had to lose every fball game for the next 4 years, why, because of 45 million payout versus 7 or whatever the hell the BE is paying.

With all those exit fees and NCAAT credits, I think SU/BC/Pitt/Wake and whomever else is left are certainly better off in an ACC 5.0 than the B12. - Again they are not, that's a short term gain for a long term athletic death sentence. Syracuse the athletic dept would have to jettison multiple sports and would essentially become UB or Albany.

A lot of what you wrote reiterated my points not disputed them.

Tulane has a better chance at making the playoffs than us. Full stop. Seton Hall the NCAAT. Full stop. Isn't that the purpose of playing sports?

School/conference make up ie bball and academic schools vs football schools is now essentially meaningless

The point here is we can compete against ACC schools because of the above focus. That focus doesn't exist in the B12. Look at SMU they get not TV money and are do well because of the NIL money. That is what most of the B12 is. We aren't winning the B12.

Your issue is you think the B12 is high end. It is not and will be even less so after the dust settles.

We don't need the $20M in NIL if all of our conference mates aren't there either. It is a false premise completely. Why do we need $20M if our competition is at $10M? You only play teams on your schedule, not the SEC teams.

The B1G/SEC have added two at a time and not wanted to be conference killers. Plus the B12 added P12 teams. There is value there still.

How does the conference implode? Losing a few teams doesn't mean the ACC disbands. There is still a buyout. That is crazy talk.

SU can survive on $10M. Other schools are doing it currently. It is called MATH. There is no Big 3, only Big 2. The B12 is basically the 2013 AAC.

We CANNOT compete with B12 money with the B1G and SEC. But newsflash we aren't competing with those schools. So $50M and $10M is the same difference. You compete against your conference. You act like FBS is one league.

If the B1G and SEC close the G6 loophole won't they also for the B12? Stop kidding yourself.

You are insane if you think Stanford and Cal are joining the B12. It isn't all about the money. They are above that.

 

[JeremyCuse]

A lot of what you wrote reiterated my points not disputed them.

Tulane has a better chance at making the playoffs than us. Full stop. Seton Hall the NCAAT. Full stop. Isn't that the purpose of playing sports?

School/conference make up ie bball and academic schools vs football schools is now essentially meaningless

The point here is we can compete against ACC schools because of the above focus. That focus doesn't exist in the B12. Look at SMU they get not TV money and are do well because of the NIL money. That is what most of the B12 is. We aren't winning the B12.

Your issue is you think the B12 is high end. It is not and will be even less so after the dust settles.

We don't need the $20M in NIL if all of our conference mates aren't there either. It is a false premise completely. Why do we need $20M if our competition is at $10M? You only play teams on your schedule, not the SEC teams.

The B1G/SEC have added two at a time and not wanted to be conference killers. Plus the B12 added P12 teams. There is value there still.

How does the conference implode? Losing a few teams doesn't mean the ACC disbands. There is still a buyout. That is crazy talk.

SU can survive on $10M. Other schools are doing it currently. It is called MATH. There is no Big 3, only Big 2. The B12 is basically the 2013 AAC.

We CANNOT compete with B12 money with the B1G and SEC. But newsflash we aren't competing with those schools. So $50M and $10M is the same difference. You compete against your conference. You act like FBS is one league.

If the B1G and SEC close the G6 loophole won't they also for the B12? Stop kidding yourself.

You are insane if you think Stanford and Cal are joining the B12. It isn't all about the money. They are above that.

You do realize Stanford and Cal both already tried to join the B12 when the Pac 12 imploded right? The reason their in the ACC and not the Mountain West redux with Oregon and Wash state is 100% because of money. If you think their somehow above that you need a reality check of where D1 sports are in 2026.

Once the Acc starts losing a # of teams it will become unentable as a conference. UVA, UNC, Clemson, FSU leaving will cripple the conference and anyone who can possibly bail will. Perhaps the Acc can raid the B12 first or keep only 1-2 teams from bolting but if the 4 above leave, SU will also be looking to bolt.

To say 50 mill vs 10 mill is the same is absolute insanity. Again Syracuse cannot survive on 10 million a year conf money, this isnt 1992. The revenue coming in now from the conference along with fball and bball props up every other Olympic sport save for men's lax and even they need help. 10 mill a year would collapse the current SU athletics dept.

SU isn't just competing with its conference mates its competing with every other power school including the B10 and SEC. What your describing, being happy to get 10 mill with its other left over conferences mates is like being in the MAC or Conference USA. Syracuse would become an also ran and attendance for the main 2 would absolutely crater. Thank god John Wildhack doesn't think like that.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You do realize Stanford and Cal both already tried to join the B12 when the Pac 12 imploded right? The reason their in the ACC and not the Mountain West redux with Oregon and Wash state is 100% because of money. If you think their somehow above that you need a reality check of where D1 sports are in 2026.

Once the Acc starts losing a # of teams it will become unentable as a conference. UVA, UNC, Clemson, FSU leaving will cripple the conference and anyone who can possibly bail will. Perhaps the Acc can raid the B12 first or keep only 1-2 teams from bolting but if the 4 above leave, SU will also be looking to bolt.

To say 50 mill vs 10 mill is the same is absolute insanity. Again Syracuse cannot survive on 10 million a year conf money, this isnt 1992. The revenue coming in now from the conference along with fball and bball props up every other Olympic sport save for men's lax and even they need help. 10 mill a year would collapse the current SU athletics dept.

SU isn't just competing with its conference mates its competing with every other power school including the B10 and SEC. What your describing, being happy to get 10 mill with its other left over conferences mates is like being in the MAC or Conference USA. Syracuse would become an also ran and attendance for the main 2 would absolutely crater. Thank god John Wildhack doesn't think like that.

Just about everything you just wrote is false.

Memphis FB and BBall are in a better position than SU right now. Who makes a lot more money!

 

[JeremyCuse]

Just about everything you just wrote is false.

Memphis FB and BBall are in a better position than SU right now. Who makes a lot more money!

Lmao sure they are. Memphis just lost their fball coach (again) and their bball team is
6-7.

Memphis would switch spots with Syracuse so fast your head would spin.

And what I wrote above is 100% accurate, some of which comes from within SU itself.

 

[Cusefan69]

So the ACC contract still goes out to 2036 right? Even though teams can now bail in 2030. B12 has a contract renewal in 2033 I think. So wouldn't the ACC be in the better position to raid the Big12? By 2030, Big12 teams would have low exposure if they wanted to jump ship to the ACC and what is a better paying contract. I think people are underestimating ACC positioning compared to the Big12. The Big 12 actually stands to lose money because Fox and ESPN in negotiations with the Big in 2031 (I think) will likely take dollars from the Big 12 bucket knowing those dollars free up in just 2 years. I think if the ACC is aggressive, they can capitalize on better position than B12. ACC raids best of B12 and then B12 and PAC10 merge for final lifeline.