youre right, the igss havnt won anything. thanks for bringing that up again, cant see that written enough. so apparently one can only talk smack when the team is involved in success of the current season?? ok. the Eli era, another era of winning of which everyone thinks is still going despite the speedbump, has ceased all. so take heed. well the GIANTS beat the iggs last time they played them so i suppose i could use that if wanted too, but no need. has the shinebox line now gone back to an insult?? its been a joke for the last 20 years, but if one doesnt know whats its origin is, i guess theyd take it in its original insult form. oh well.