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The only way we win is to outscore them

I'm really worried about our O-line holding up against their front.

Me too. If dinos offense has any play sets that move the pocket with half roles to the tackle , not bootlegs , you would have to believe we will see them sat . also like the idea of max protecting using rbs and/or an extra tight end even if we send out 2 or 3 recievers .
 
Actually, the fastest car DOES always win. Each car is going the same distance. With Speed equal to Distance/Time, the car that wins is by definiton the fastest car. It is as universally true as a universal truth can be.
 
Actually, the fastest car DOES always win. Each car is going the same distance. With Speed equal to Distance/Time, the car the wind is by definiton the fastest car. It is as universally true as a universal truth can be.
Not on a road course. Having bigger balls and skill will always beat speed.
 
Not on a road course. Having bigger balls and skill will always beat speed.
You've missed the point completely. I'm not saying driver skill does not play into it. But the car with the fastest average speed always wins by definiton assuming they follow the same track. Assuming same distance, a slower average speed car has never won a race ever. Ever. It defies the laws of mathematics.
 
You've missed the point completely. I'm not saying driver skill does not play into it. But the car with the fastest average speed always wins by definiton assuming they follow the same track. Assuming same distance, a slower average speed car has never won a race ever. Ever. It defies the laws of mathematics.
The driver has a lot to do with Speed. Let's look at it this way. A drag race both go same distance. If one gets off the line faster he can still win by going slower than the other car by reaction time.
 
The driver has a lot to do with Speed. Let's look at it this way. A drag race both go same distance. If one gets off the line faster he can still win by going slower than the other car by reaction time.
Yes I get that. And based on the slow reaction time, the guy that lost had a slower average speed and lost the race. Every single time. You're mistaking my point for "car performance" with actual real world speed which encompasses every factor including the driver.
 
Yes I get that. And based on the slow reaction time, the guy that lost had a slower average speed and lost the race. Every single time. You're mistaking my point for "car performance" with actual real world speed which encompasses every factor including the driver.
Just because he reacted slower doesn't mean he was slower.
 
its not true the fastest car wins.. they have some graphics that shows how far a a car travels and depending on the groove a car can travel quite a bit farther and lose but a small amount so actually drive faster and still lose. assuming we mean fastest in MPH and not in time traveled.

no different than a running race with lanes.
 
its not true the fastest car wins.. they have some graphics that shows how far a a car travels and depending on the groove a car can travel quite a bit farther and lose but a small amount so actually drive faster and still lose. assuming we mean fastest in MPH and not in time traveled.

no different than a running race with lanes.
As I pointed out, I'm excluding "lane" differences in distance. A quarter mile or 100 mile race, whatever, I said "assuming the same distance" I.e. the starting line to finish line distance.
 
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You guys kinda proved my point in a way: the announcer who said "the fastest car is going to win" was dumb for using a simple thing to describe a complex thing, all while making us noobs feel like he said something obvious.

Anyways - I always slept in the couch when Dad watched NASCAR and then he'd sleep through football games I'd want to watch lol.
 
As I pointed out, I'm excluding "lane" differences in distance. A quarter mile or 100 mile race, whatever, I said "assuming the same distance" I.e. the starting line to finish line distance.
And as I said in a drag race, which is the same distance. The guy with the best reaction time can still win by being slower.
 
"The only way we win is to outscore them."

Isn't that generally how football works all the time?
 
And as I said in a drag race, which is the same distance. The guy with the best reaction time can still win by being slower.
Wrong because when he is still sitting at the starting line and the race has started he's going zero miles per hour. The clock has started and even when he starts moving, his average speed is very slow. Even if he burns rubber and goes super fast once he gets going, his speed is still determined by the distance divided by time. It is an absolute. It's an equation, assuming the clock starts and it's a fixed distance, the fastest avg speed wins 100% of the time. No exceptions, it's basic math.

Think of it this way...
Hypothetical
100 ft race track.

Car A finished race in 10 seconds but had a bad reaction time (this car was faster from second 2-10 than Car B). Regardless of his reaction time, etc, his average speed was 10 ft per second. (100ft/10 sec)

Car B finished in 8 seconds. He was slower than car A from seconds 2-10 but got off to a better start with a better reaction time. Regardless of being slower than Car A in 80% of the race his average speed was 12.5 ft per second (100ft/8 sec).

Car B had both a faster average speed and also won the race regardless of reaction time.
 
I love how this thread evolved into NASCAR talk. I assume that's what the teams are talking about as well.
 
Watch a drag race sometime. I'm out.
This has zero to do with knowledge of racing and everything to do with algebra. I'm sorry I'm not communicating the point sufficiently to see my side of this, because I assure you that if I'm wrong, there are statues of Diophantus, father of algrebra, in Greece that should be knocked down.
 
This has zero to do with knowledge of racing and everything to do with algebra. I'm sorry I'm not communicating the point sufficiently to see my side of this, because I assure you that if I'm wrong, there are statues of Diophantus, father of algrebra, in Greece that should be knocked down.
I completely get your argument from a theoretical sense but this isn't about Algebra. The fastest car doesn't always win, the fastest driver/team does. A driver who drafts better, finds better lines around the track, makes better moves at the right time, and has a pit crew that's on point will beat a car that is faster but who's driver/team doesn't do those things every single time.
 
This has zero to do with knowledge of racing and everything to do with algebra. I'm sorry I'm not communicating the point sufficiently to see my side of this, because I assure you that if I'm wrong, there are statues of Diophantus, father of algrebra, in Greece that should be knocked down.
I thought Algebra was first developed in the Middle East, not Greece. That's why its named Al-Gebra. That's what they told me in an SU Course on The History of the Middle East.
 
I completely get your argument from a theoretical sense but this isn't about Algebra. The fastest car doesn't always win, the fastest driver/team does. A driver who drafts better, finds better lines around the track, makes better moves at the right time, and has a pit crew that's on point will beat a car that is faster but who's driver/team doesn't do those things every single time.

But the car that wins the race has done so in the fastest time, right? Hence, the fastest car.
 
This has zero to do with knowledge of racing and everything to do with algebra. I'm sorry I'm not communicating the point sufficiently to see my side of this, because I assure you that if I'm wrong, there are statues of Diophantus, father of algrebra, in Greece that should be knocked down.
The fastest car and the fastest average speed are not always the same thing. A slower car can have a faster average speed. A nitro methane funny car will go over 300mph but would get blasted by a VW jetta on a NASCAR track. Which is the faster car? The Funny car.
 
The fastest car and the fastest average speed are not always the same thing. A slower car can have a faster average speed. A nitro methane funny car will go over 300mph but would get blasted by a VW jetta on a NASCAR track. Which is the faster car? The Funny car.
You are over-complicating this. The fastest car is the car that went the fastest over the entire course of the race. I get that some cars may be capable of going faster at various intervals of the race and may not win. But if you define it very simply as the time racing vs distance travelled, the car that wins has the fastest calculated speed. It is an absolute and if you make the same assumptions there are no exceptions.

Millhouse ...can you help save me here on this? I have a feeling you might have an opinion on this.
 

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