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The running game

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It's obvious that Marrone wants to establish the run. He believes in it and it's clearly a big part of his offensive DNA. And that's fine. Throughout football history, run-oriented offenses (usually accompanied w/ solid play-action passing and stout defenses) have won countless championships. As a Giant fan, I can appreciate the smash mouth approach. So philosophically, imo, there's nothing wrong w/ a 'run 1st approach' when you have the personnel to do it.

And last year, when DM had a powerful, NFL-quality running back and a bullish All-Conference senior center anchoring the O-line, his run-dominated approach wasn't spectacular but it was ultimately effective as it was able to compensate for the inconsistent and often ineffective quarterback and receiver play. Combined with a strong, senior-led defense and the late emergence of Marcus Sales, DM was able to squeeze out a promising 8-5 season.

This season, DM replaces his two All-Conference offensive studs w/ an undersized sophomore center and an undersized former 3rd down back, and then he loses his only real threat at wideout and his #2 (maybe his best) tailback for the year. Well, surprise, surprise, these changes have really had a profoundly negative impact on this offense b/c in essence, Marrone is still getting that same inconsistent, often ineffective play from his QB and his receiving corps, except this year, there is no reliable running game and Top 10 defense to pick up the slack. As a result, this unproductive offensively-challenged team will have to be be lucky to get that 6th win.

I mean, we can quibble and nitpick about Marrone's game management or Hackett's playcalling til we're blue in the face but imho, the real problem is that DM simply doesn't have the pieces in place to effectively run his "system." And as a result, his system -- no matter how it's designed or defined -- simply looks like crap right now, and I don't think there's much he can do about it.

While some people may prefer a more aerial-based attack, DM's approach is what it is: he wants to pound the rock and set up the pass. But when your "feature back" -- who at most BCS schools would still be a 3rd down back -- is about 5'6 and not blazingly fast or exceptionally powerful, and you're obviously not too excited or too trusting of his larger back-ups, then that smash mouth approach just isn't going to work. I mean no disrespect to Bailey who's a very good player and he's demonstrated that throughout his career. But what he's not, is the centerpiece of your offense. And what he's not is a 20+ carry-a-game, pound it up the middle, classic tailback like DC3 or James Mungro. And unfortunately, we're seeing what you get when you try to force AB into that role: lots of minimal gains leading to lots of 3 & outs, and an ineffective offense overall!

But what's DM to do? Because on the other hand, his very average QB has accuracy and touch issues. And aside from Lemon and Provo (who are solid but not spectacular) he has a stable full of unreliable receivers who can't consistently catch the ball. So again, I ask, what's Marrone supposed to do?

I'm not trying to be DM apologist/defender here, I'm just trying to be objective and fair. You can chide him for maybe not bringing in enough talent and that's fair. But then you must also consider the sullied reputation SU had and how that obviously hurt his initial recruiting classes.

But as far as what's happening on the field now, I just think Marrone (and we as fans) are basically screwed b/c between the redshirts, non-qualifiers, injuries and suspensions this season, he simply doesn't have the eligible, offensive horses he needs to make his -- or any -- system work, right now. Marrone needs a bell cow tailback (doesn't have one right now), he needs playmakers and deep threats at WR to keep opposing DBs out the box (doesn't have even one right now), and he needs a better right tackle (obviously doesn't have one of those right now, either).

If we can somehow squeeze out that 6th win, get into a bowl, and get those important 15 extra practices, at this point, that would be make this season a shocking success. And then hopefully we can close out this recruiting class with at least one of the kids that better fit Marrone's running back prototype: Lynch, Perkins, or Morris, as well as retain McFarlane's commit.

If that happens, I think btwn the new kids and the returning RBs, Marrone will find his guy (or guys) for '12 . And w/ Hickey returning and improved line play (hopefully), next season Marrone should be able to have the kind of rushing attack that his system is obviously centered around. But this season, unless he tries something different, like starting Smith or AAM (wasted redshirt?) and putting AB back into his 3rd down/change-up role, I don't see the running game clicking this season, which means this offense will continue to stink.
 
I agree with everything you posted up until you said we are screwed

1. It's the coaches job to make lemons out of lemonade, not just try the same thing over and over and over again. A large part of college coaching needs to be about creativity and flexibility. In the pros you can be a rigid system guy and find players for your system this is nearly impossible to do when you are a a middle tier college program in NY.

2. Our offense has looked plenty functional when we spread the field out and throw it around. If that works and we know the run game doesn't why not do it more often? It is stubbornness and ego which are turning out to be Marrone's two biggest flaws
 
Boog I largely agree with your sentiments. Two mind boggling things for me. (1) no comments that I have heard by Marrone on special team play. While any objective observer will realize that the special team has been anything but, I find it shocking that DM has not commented on them. Definitely need an upgrade in coaching there (2) While I'm glad to see Nassib taking more opportunities to run, that exposes him to a game/season/career ending injury. Why not opportunities for the 2nd string QB getting some snaps? Especially last night at 37-17!! Why not give his backup some chances? Even if the backup is horrendous, what does Marrone think will happen if he has to go into a game without any real game experience?
 
marrone not has looked like the brightest young head coach this year-
in fact he and his team have looked like crap 99% of the time-

also a good coach (not a great one ) adapts his game plan to the kids he has-if you cant run you better be able to pass-
if you cant do both it on the staff and the quality of kids recruited
 
I agree with everything you posted up until you said we are screwed

1. It's the coaches job to make lemons out of lemonade, not just try the same thing over and over and over again. A large part of college coaching needs to be about creativity and flexibility. In the pros you can be a rigid system guy and find players for your system this is nearly impossible to do when you are a a middle tier college program in NY.

2. Our offense has looked plenty functional when we spread the field out and throw it around. If that works and we know the run game doesn't why not do it more often? It is stubbornness and ego which are turning out to be Marrone's two biggest flaws
I agree with both 1 and 2.

But w/ 2 I think that Marrone/Hackett just don't trust these wideouts or the o-line's ability to protect to go pass-heavy. I think they fear (maybe overly) INTs and pick 6s. Nassib had that problem in the past so maybe they're being too cautious now. I dunno.
 
Boog I largely agree with your sentiments. Two mind boggling things for me. (1) no comments that I have heard by Marrone on special team play. While any objective observer will realize that the special team has been anything but, I find it shocking that DM has not commented on them. Definitely need an upgrade in coaching there (2) While I'm glad to see Nassib taking more opportunities to run, that exposes him to a game/season/career ending injury. Why not opportunities for the 2nd string QB getting some snaps? Especially last night at 37-17!! Why not give his backup some chances? Even if the backup is horrendous, what does Marrone think will happen if he has to go into a game without any real game experience?
I mean, DM comes off as a honest guy (but so did JoePa...nevermind) but anyway, if that's the case, the only thing he could really say, if he's being honest is, "I #$#%ed up. I should've hired a Special Teams coach and I cost us some games b/c I didn't." Maybe that's why he's being silent?
 
Good post. Was about to post something similar.

We're on to pace to have a record breaking QB, a 1,000 yard RB and a 900-1000 yard WR and yet we still somehow manage to look dysfunctional for loooooong stretches.

Nassib has issues but he's more part of the answer than he is part of the problem. People keep harping on his "pocket presence" to which I ask, what pocket?

Bailey, I love the kid, but he is what he is and an everydown back isnt what he is. He isn't particularly big, strong, fast, or shifty. He's creative in space but we aren't getting him anywhere in space. He looked great catching the ball out of the backfield last year, and yet we haven't done that. Are the rest of the RB's that bad? I would love to see AAM get a full series just to get an idea what he's working with.

Dorian Graham is our fastest guy on offense but still has suspect hands. Why not line him up in the backfield and run pitches or draws? He needs to touch the ball more, and passing it to him doesn't seem to be the way. We really miss Gulley right now.

Lemon, and Provo... why do we even try and pass to anyone else? Where did Van Chew go?

I'm just confused.

Our defense isn't stellar but is playing well enough to win games.

It's not a fun time but hopefully we pull some bye week magic and get bowl eligible. Perhaps with the extra practice and another offseason of training the coaches won't have to push the team as hard in season next year as they appear to wear down as the season wears on.
 
Dorian Graham is our fastest guy on offense but still has suspect hands. Why not line him up in the backfield and run pitches or draws? He needs to touch the ball more, and passing it to him doesn't seem to be the way. We really miss Gulley right now.

Lemon, and Provo... why do we even try and pass to anyone else? Where did Van Chew go?

I'm just confused.

Why not use Graham in the wildcat or whatever they call it? Why not a bubble screen to him? Why not use him the way UF used to use Percy Harvin? Look, he's not particularly shifty and clearly has mediocre hands. But he does have the ONE ingredient this offense so obviously and desperately needs: speed! DG should touch the ball a minimum of 10-12 times a game w/o relying solely on receptions and that same reverse they run to death.
 
There are things we can do. I have four suggestions:

1. Pick up the pace
2. Stop using that awful bunch formation
3. Put Ant back into the passing game, and shift Harris to the blocking back in the backfield for the shotgun. We don't run out of it ever anyway. Ant was very effective last season as a receiving threat, and we've completely abandoned that aspect of our offense, much to our detriment.
4. Play your best offense at the start of the game, not out of desperation. Our failure to effectively run the ball out of the gate isn't setting anything up. It's putting us in a hole. It's a joke that we call our offense multiple. It's predictable and has no variety, and this is especially true at the very start of the game.

I do not accept that there's nothing our staff can do.
 
There are things we can do. I have four suggestions:

1. Pick up the pace
2. Stop using that awful bunch formation
3. Put Ant back into the passing game, and shift Harris to the blocking back in the backfield for the shotgun. We don't run out of it ever anyway. Ant was very effective last season as a receiving threat, and we've completely abandoned that aspect of our offense, much to our detriment.
4. Play your best offense at the start of the game, not out of desperation. Our failure to effectively run the ball out of the gate isn't setting anything up. It's putting us in a hole. It's a joke that we call our offense multiple. It's predictable and has no variety, and this is especially true at the very start of the game.

I do not accept that there's nothing our staff can do.
Those are all great suggestions, especially #3. We can only hope DM adopts similar remedies.
 
Why not use Graham in the wildcat or whatever they call it? Why not a bubble screen to him? Why not use him the way UF used to use Percy Harvin? Look, he's not particularly shifty and clearly has mediocre hands. But he does have the ONE ingredient this offense so obviously and desperately needs: speed! DG should touch the ball a minimum of 10-12 times a game w/o relying solely on receptions and that same reverse they run to death.

100% with you on this. Didn't even mind running the reverse to death because it worked the first 2 times and at least we were trying something that had worked.
 
There are things we can do. I have four suggestions:

1. Pick up the pace
2. Stop using that awful bunch formation
3. Put Ant back into the passing game, and shift Harris to the blocking back in the backfield for the shotgun. We don't run out of it ever anyway. Ant was very effective last season as a receiving threat, and we've completely abandoned that aspect of our offense, much to our detriment.
4. Play your best offense at the start of the game, not out of desperation. Our failure to effectively run the ball out of the gate isn't setting anything up. It's putting us in a hole. It's a joke that we call our offense multiple. It's predictable and has no variety, and this is especially true at the very start of the game.

I do not accept that there's nothing our staff can do.

Amen! Can you get on the staff as special advisor? If not then I'll volunteer since we're 100% on the same page here.
 
Amen! Can you get on the staff as special advisor? If not then I'll volunteer since we're 100% on the same page here.
A while back I suggested that they hire me in the role of Testicular Decision Making Advisor. At the time many brushed aside the suggestion. I don't know why.
 
A while back I suggested that they hire me in the role of Testicular Decision Making Advisor. At the time many brushed aside the suggestion. I don't know why.

HA!

Insert inappropriate Sandusky reference here. I'll just say with that title, maybe they thought you we're a former GA at Penn State so declined.
 

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