The stipend payout is pretty big deal

[RF2044]

This happens in public policy all the time. Solid but poorly designed concept / poor controls / poorly defined parameters = ways to exploit change intended to be beneficial

This disparity is absurd, and is anti-competitive. It would be one thing if the NCAA defined a flat rate that all colleges could pay up to, but to allow the institutions to define the amount themselves leaves a lot of room for disparity [and shady malfeasance].

 

[Alsacs]

Also EA Sports could pay ALL scholarship players in NCAA FB a flat rate(there is an amount not to high that could get this done) whatever they determined and make the NCAA football video game. The players that signed would receive compensation and those that did not want to would be like QB Eagles or QB Bills from Tecmo Super Bowl days on NES.

 

[PhatOrange]

COA is calculated for all students so it includes travel to and from campus for each semester. It has nothing to do with the student being an athlete and while I don't know the specific formula used, it's not based on the individual's hometown.

Even though getting to and from Syracuse is a chore, there are lots of east coast connections. I don't know if the same can be said for Starkville, MS?

Im not sure I understand why it would cost more to travel to Starkville, MS based on the actual student body. What would inflate that cost, out-of-state students, mileage, cost of gasoline, plane tickets?

If you consider that Biloxi is about the furthest point from Starkville in-state at 260 miles I don’t quite understand why it would cost more to travel there.

Syracuse to Montauk, NY = 364 miles

Syracuse to Plattsburgh, NY = 231 miles

Syracuse is also one of the most expensive airports to fly in and out of.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

How do you prevent boosters from paying these kids more than they are actually worth. Like, what's stopping Phil Knight from paying kids $100,000 a year to wear Nike gear?

I wouldn't.

 

[shandeezy7]

I wouldn't.

That's crazy talk. Then it becomes the Wild West, with the schools with the most boosters paying players way more than their real worth. It wouldn't be reflective of real world endorsement deals and would probably result in the end of college athletics as we know it.

 

[PhatOrange]

Let's hope this never comes about, or we can say goodbye to any hopes of ever being competitive again. How could anyone (NCAA/ACC) possibly think this is fair? A couple hundred dollar difference no big deal. A $4,200/yr, a huge difference.

The PS article this morning said it's supposed to start this season; which is why I created the thread, I thought it was happening now. However, the same article was updated at 10:20 am and I think they'd edited that part out because it's not there anymore.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb..._know_and_what_we_dont_know.html#incart_river

I am under the impression it's happening this fall though, hopefully not.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's crazy talk. Then it becomes the Wild West, with the schools with the most boosters paying players way more than their real worth. It wouldn't be reflective of real world endorsement deals and would probably result in the end of college athletics as we know it.

Yeah, maybe. So what? College athletics is pretty much a sham anyway. At least this way the kids benefit.

 

[orange_in_VA]

This is exactly why I've been saying they should just let the kids sign endorsements and be able to profit from their name and likeness.

I've always been in favor of this. I don't understand why they can't. The video games alone, could net each kid a couple grand, I would think. Being able to have jerseys with the actual player names would be cool too. Give them a royalty for that as well. So stupid that the NCAA wants to keep pretending this is amateur sports. Maybe it used to be, but it's big business now, and they use the kids likenesses for all kinds of advertising and endorsements.

 

[texascpa]

Can someone point where it was stated that SU's COA was $1800, when this average estimate shows $3,000.

 

[orange_in_VA]

Can someone point where it was stated that SU's COA was $1800, when this average estimate shows $3,000.

I saw it posted months ago somewhere. SU had one of the lowest stipends.

 

[bcubs9497]

Can someone point where it was stated that SU's COA was $1800, when this average estimate shows $3,000.

I think this might be accurate as Steven told me that the older players said there was to be an increase of some sort over whatever number was being thrown around earlier in the year.

 

[bcubs9497]

There's also suicide.

And it's preferable over traveling to Starkville.

 

[HtownOrange]

unregulated student athletes stipends. This is the dumbest shi- i've heard in a while from the NCAA.

It's the closest thing to reporting "booster" payouts in the SEC, though, obviously these numbers are too low to be real.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

I wouldn't.

Make them supply their W2

 

[SUFan44]

Let's hope this never comes about, or we can say goodbye to any hopes of ever being competitive again. How could anyone (NCAA/ACC) possibly think this is fair? A couple hundred dollar difference no big deal. A $4,200/yr, a huge difference.

Um - this is already about. And starting this year.

I know people are going to say that Syracuse calculated COA just like everyone else, but if they really wanted to they could have evaluated COA differently and came up with a number more in line with every other school ($3-4K range).

 

[bcubs9497]

Um - this is already about. And starting this year.

I know people are going to say that Syracuse calculated COA just like everyone else, but if they really wanted to they could have evaluated COA differently and came up with a number more in line with every other school ($3-4K range).

Yep.

 

[SUFan44]

Can someone point where it was stated that SU's COA was $1800, when this average estimate shows $3,000.

Books are covered under full athletic scholarships, if I remember correctly.

COA = Travel + Personal Expenses.

Transportation $642
Personal Expenses $990

Total = $1,632, which is what is being reported.

Incidentally, if transportation is averaged to be $642 for students to come to school and go back to school, SU's number crunchers are on something.

The cheapest flight from Syracuse to Detroit (just chose it randomly) leaving December 21 and returning January 15 is $459. That's if you want to go home for winter break (guessed dates).

The cost is going to be similar for the one ways to Syracuse for the beginning of school and the one way going home for summer break. That's $910 for a kid from Detroit. To Atlanta is $399, totaling $800. Not close to $642. No idea how they came up with that.

 

[texascpa]

Books are covered under full athletic scholarships, if I remember correctly.

COA = Travel + Personal Expenses.

Transportation $642
Personal Expenses $990

Total = $1,632, which is what is being reported.

Some books are non-billable, meaning that the student has to buy them on their own. Check this page.

Tried to find what the athletic scholarship costs, but can't seem to find anything. Plus, bcubs states that players are thinking it's going to be up to $3K this year.

 

[SUFan44]

Some books are non-billable, meaning that the student has to buy them on their own. Check this page.

Full athletic scholarships cover that. I'm about 99% sure. Those numbers are more for public financial aid purposes.

 

[HeaterCuse22]

Books are covered under full athletic scholarships, if I remember correctly.

COA = Travel + Personal Expenses.

Transportation $642
Personal Expenses $990

Total = $1,632, which is what is being reported.

Incidentally, if transportation is averaged to be $642 for students to come to school and go back to school, SU's number crunchers are on something.

The cheapest flight from Syracuse to Detroit (just chose it randomly) leaving December 21 and returning January 15 is $459. That's if you want to go home for winter break (guessed dates).

The cost is going to be similar for the one ways to Syracuse for the beginning of school and the one way going home for summer break. That's $910 for a kid from Detroit. To Atlanta is $399, totaling $800. Not close to $642. No idea how they came up with that.

Not being an ass but how much is a bus or train.

 

[omniorange]

Here is a comparison of SU vs Tenn

Tuition and Fees

Syracuse - 43318
Tenn In-State - 12436 or Tenn Out of State - 30856

Books and Supplies

Syracuse - 1412
Tennessee - 1598

Room and Board

Syracuse - 14880
Tennessee - 9926

Personal

Syracuse - 990
Tennessee - 4002

Transportation

Syracuse - 642
Tennessee - 1664

Total COA

Syracuse - 61242
Tennessee In State - 29626
Tennessee Out of State - 48046

To avoid complete sticker shock, Syracuse likely has to keep as low as possible the items that they can (Personal and Transportation) since parents tend to look look at the Total Cost more so than simply the hard costs of the first three items alone.

The interesting bit of information I would like to know is has the University of Tennessee's Personal and Transportation costs always been this high over the past three years or so, or do the above figures represent a huge increase over previous years.

Because the whole purpose for showing Total COA is tied to Higher Ed Law in terms of financial aid. And every year an institution hires independent auditors to come in and part of their review is looking at COA. And any increase that cannot be explained through ordinary inflation should result in them asking for the documentation used to determine each cost listed.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[reedny]

How Syracuse calculates they will only pay an athlete about $1800 bucks while Tennessee is set to pay their athletes nearly $6000 is crazy.

Even Zaire pointedly says it will factor into recruiting. most everything being equal a kid is going to take the 5000 grand from school A over 2000 grand from school B.

It's not hard to figure out -- Tennesee will just cut classes to pay for the jacked-up personal and transportation allowances.

 

[Toga]

Here is a comparison of SU vs Tenn

Tuition and Fees

Syracuse - 43318
Tenn In-State - 12436 or Tenn Out of State - 30856

Books and Supplies

Syracuse - 1412
Tennessee - 1598

Room and Board

Syracuse - 14880
Tennessee - 9926

Personal

Syracuse - 990
Tennessee - 4002

Transportation

Syracuse - 642
Tennessee - 1664

Total COA

Syracuse - 61242
Tennessee In State - 29626
Tennessee Out of State - 48046

To avoid complete sticker shock, Syracuse likely has to keep as low as possible the items that they can (Personal and Transportation) since parents tend to look look at the Total Cost more so than simply the hard costs of the first three items alone.

The interesting bit of information I would like to know is has the University of Tennessee's Personal and Transportation costs always been this high over the past three years or so, or do the above figures represent a huge increase over previous years.

Because the whole purpose for showing Total COA is tied to Higher Ed Law in terms of financial aid. And every year an institution hires independent auditors to come in and part of their review is looking at COA. And any increase that cannot be explained through ordinary inflation should result in them asking for the documentation used to determine each cost listed.

Cheers,
Neil

Do the Tennessee "hostesses" costs fall under Personal?

 

[SUFan44]

Some books are non-billable, meaning that the student has to buy them on their own. Check this page.

Tried to find what the athletic scholarship costs, but can't seem to find anything. Plus, bcubs states that players are thinking it's going to be up to $3K this year.

"The vote, taken during the NCAA's annual convention, redefines an athletic scholarship so that it can cover not only the traditional tuition, room, board, books and fees, but also the incidental costs of attending college. That means a scholarship will now be able to pay for items including transportation and miscellaneous personal expenses."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...dance-student-athletes-scholarships/21921073/

 

[SWC75]

Not standardizing it to avoid recruiting advantages makes no sense at all. Oh Lord