The three straight sideline out of bounds throws...

[upperdeck]

I can confirm I watched it about 15 times and Hatcher blew by the guy, Hatcher has to slow down a bit because of the pass and then the pass is thrown out about of bounds. All confirmed.

I can film it for you if you’d like.

Put a pass thrown a yard Out of bounds on the wide out. Good call.

you could have thrown all 3 inbounds and just short and maybe got a pI call who knows.

 

[MikeSU02]

I can confirm I watched it about 15 times and Hatcher blew by the guy, Hatcher has to slow down a bit because of the pass and then the pass is thrown out about of bounds. All confirmed.

I can film it for you if you’d like.

Put a pass thrown a yard Out of bounds on the wide out. Good call.

First throw Hatcher got pushed off his route from the jump and was off line from the start and then instead of jumping vertical to high point pushed off the DB and was out of bounds bc he made his catch point where he was falling.

Second throw Hatcher gets pushed off by Lukus easily and then runs *diagonally* instead of correcting his route and then jogs so it’s a throw away by Shrader bc he’s throwing a spot Hatcher got big boy’d off of.

Hatcher is literally changing the route bc he’s weak from the start.

Third throw to Brown Shrader is scrambling for his life.

Our WRs aren’t good and aren’t strong enough.

 

[MikeSU02]

you could have thrown all 3 inbounds and just short and maybe got a pI call who knows.

For all that is holy. I implore you to watch the actual plays.

 

[upperdeck]

For all that is holy. I implore you to watch the actual plays.

No idea what you are thinking here.

The main issue I have is that we run such wide splits there is very little room to make a sideline throw

Even given that, Shrader seldom makes the long throws no matter where he throws them.

I do think its funny that the best catches we have made all yr have been OB catches.

 

[sutomcat]

I watched pieces of the replay. I think they said the DB was a freshman. So ok you try it once. But that sideline throw isn’t Shrader’s best place. So you go right back to it again? Third down was a scramble drill.

But to have the ball, down 7, first down at their 39, 4 minutes and counting left at the half and go with that? And then the 57 yard FG? Just a terrible sequence. Instead of down maybe 4 at the half, we’re down 14.

Really disappointing.

I still haven't seen a replay. Still think they decided Lukus was the guy to go after and it turned out to be an awful decision.

The CB who got beat was on the other side, as Phat's photos show.

I don't think Lukus got beat all game long and it seemed to me they took a lot of shots at him. Maybe 5 or 6?

That is really unusual, especially when Lukus was blanketing his guy (I think it was Alford) every time.

Alford doesn't get open against good CBs. Never has. Not sure he ever will. It is a problem.

 

[DPCuse]

You especially throw the deep ball in bounds on 3rd down from midfield. If it's picked, it's as good as a punt.

 

[MikeSU02]

I still haven't seen a replay. Still think they decided Lukus was the guy to go after and it turned out to be an awful decision.

The CB who got beat was on the other side, as Phat's photos show.

I don't think Lukus got beat all game long and it seemed to me they took a lot of shots at him. Maybe 5 or 6?

That is really unusual, especially when Lukus was blanketing his guy (I think it was Alford) every time.

Alford doesn't get open against good CBs. Never has. Not sure he ever will. It is a problem.

That photo is deceiving. The first throw to Hatcher he got pushed off his route immediately. Immediately.

Then he doesn't correct. Then Hatcher commits Off PI to make himself not able to vertically high point.

Lukus is going to be a beast down the line. Kid is good.

 

[PhatOrange]

First throw Hatcher got pushed off his route from the jump and was off line from the start and then instead of jumping vertical to high point pushed off the DB and was out of bounds bc he made his catch point where he was falling.

Second throw Hatcher gets pushed off by Lukus easily and then runs *diagonally* instead of correcting his route and then jogs so it’s a throw away by Shrader bc he’s throwing a spot Hatcher got big boy’d off of.

Hatcher is literally changing the route bc he’s weak from the start.

Third throw to Brown Shrader is scrambling for his life.

Our WRs aren’t good and aren’t strong enough.

Hatcher has his man beat on 3 of the long misses and you're somehow blaming Hatcher?

2ndQ - 3:43 - (vs #10) When Hatcher high points the ball on the first one the ball is thrown high and sailing out of bounds. His forward momentum and jumping as high as he can to catch the ball carries him out of bounds. Nobody in the NFL could've caught that thing in bounds. Jumping vertical while running a fade and trying to get separation? Who does this ? You'd have to be standing still to jump vertically.

The one you're saying Hatcher got big boy'd give me a break. This is a play that should've never been run to begin with but oh well. It's good coverage, #10 after having just gotten beat, impedes his progress and Hatcher gives up on the route. Nevermind that he just ran a 30 yard sprint the play before.

Yes third throw is a scramble. Nobody blamed anyone for this throw. In my stillshot the Clemson DB is holding Brown anyways.

2nd Q - 13:24 - Hatcher has his man beat by a couple of strides. This is the one Hatcher ends up on his back and the crowd wants PI. Fact is, Hatcher ends up on his back because the ball is so woefully underthrown he loses his balance trying to stop his momentum working back for the ball. Put the ball out in front where it should be and Hatcher might go for a TD. This is against Mukuba #1.

If you want to blame freshman and sophomore wide receivers that's fine but that fact is they also have a poor throwing QB trying to deliver the ball. He's terrible long.

 

[PhatOrange]

That photo is deceiving. The first throw to Hatcher he got pushed off his route immediately. Immediately.

Then he doesn't correct. Then Hatcher commits Off PI to make himself not able to vertically high point.

Lukus is going to be a beast down the line. Kid is good.

I didn't put a photo up of the one with Hatcher in front of the students. You might be confusing things.

You couldn't be more wrong about that one though, you need to go back and watch it. It's not even remotely close to being offensive PI. His arm is extended keeping separation. He doesn't push off at all.

He also doesn't get bumped off his route, and he's open. He does everything he needs to do to be in position to make a play.

 

[Wrinkle]

If the receivers repeatedly win 1v1 and we can't hit them a single time there's a major problem at QB.

 

[Scooch]

I'm a big fan of an OC going right back to a play they know they have, but for whatever reason didn't connect on the first attempt.

The Pats famously did that when they had Randy Moss. More than once they'd run the exact same deep route after it failed the first time, and then Brady would nail it the second time.

So I didn't mind trying the 2nd sideline throw. But the 3rd time was ludicrous. And look, it's both the QB and WR in my mind. Shrader has stretches where he's not accurate. And our WRs aren't particularly good.

 

[PhatOrange]

I'm a big fan of an OC going right back to a play they know they have, but for whatever reason didn't connect on the first attempt.

The Pats famously did that when they had Randy Moss. More than once they'd run the exact same deep route after it failed the first time, and then Brady would nail it the second time.

So I didn't mind trying the 2nd sideline throw. But the 3rd time was ludicrous. And look, it's both the QB and WR in my mind. Shrader has stretches where he's not accurate. And our WRs aren't particularly good.

I guess I don't mind it either except where we were on the field, down, distance, momentum we had going on at the time.

#10 had better coverage this time and Hatcher gives up on the route. I think he was tired and knew he couldn't get to it.

 

[upperdeck]

I think throwing these passes in 3rd and medium is an issue.. we struggle with protection all game, the fact we got some home run shots is nice considering how few we threw all season.. Its clearly not our strength unless teams blow coverages which Clemson didnt do and we did.

 

[ForCuseSake]

Shrader had an awful day throwing the ball and isn’t accurate on deep sideline (vertical) routes.

Our outside WRs line up on the numbers (i.e. roughly halfway between the hashes and sideline) and end up tiptoeing the sidelines because they’re weak or use poor technique.

Both of these were true Saturday.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Agree, that was the part with the sequence that bothers me. I'm sure some of the reads are on Shrader but some are pre-snap from the sidelines too.

1st year coordinator

 

[syrBossHogg]

https://x.com/ccarlsononSU/status/1709243399474229291?s=20

 

[PhatOrange]

https://x.com/ccarlsononSU/status/1709243399474229291?s=20

In its two games against P5 opponents, Garrett Shrader is 1-for-14 on deep passes (20+) to the sides of the field, according to Pro Football Focus. This is where the absence of Oronde Gadsden II hurts the most. He did his damage in the middle. Trebor Pena also effective there.