The whole "This is never been done before" with Kentucky is such BS

[djcon57]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...cky-march-final-four-means-college-basketball

"It will disprove a lot of lingering suspicions about what does (and doesn't) work. It will mean that winning a title with freshmen and sophomores is not only plausible, but logical and inarguable."

Bullshit. 2003.

Anthony, GMac, Edelin - Fr
Forth, Warrick, Pace - Soph
Crafty Sr in Duany

Kentucky 2012 - Fr and So and crafty Sr in Miller.

Nothing new. The only difference is we didn't plan for it like Cal does every year...and make no mistake Cal didn't plan on Lamb and Jones coming back...THANKS NBA LOCKOUT!

 

[jekelish]

Well, that's one way to read the article, since the ENTIRE ARTICLE is about how Klosterman hopes Kentucky loses so that we don't see the NCAA turning into even more of a farm system than it already is. (Another key phrase: "Calipari has professionalized college basketball")

Talk about picking and choosing sentences and placing them totally out if context.

 

[djcon57]

Well, that's one way to read the article, since the ENTIRE ARTICLE is about how Klosterman hopes Kentucky loses so that we don't see the NCAA turning into even more of a farm system than it already is.

Talk about picking and choosing sentences and placing them totally out if context.

My point is we won't regardless of what Kentucky does. This has been this way for 10 years.

 

[jekelish]

My point is we won't regardless of what Kentucky does. This has been this way for 10 years.

But that's beside the point of the entire article. You're going out of your way to take offense to an article basically saying Kentucky is ushering in a potentially bad trend in college basketball.

 

[djcon57]

But that's beside the point of the entire article. You're going out of your way to take offense to an article basically saying Kentucky is ushering in a potentially bad trend in college basketball.

No, I'm taking offense to a poorly written article. This ISN'T a trend. This has been this way for 10 years.

 

[jekelish]

What you're taking offense to is an off handed comment that has very little to do with the rest of the article. The larger point is that, at this point, Cal recruits almost exclusively one and dones, which we have never done, so obviously we don't fit his point. He's saying that Kentucky is unfortunately showing you can win with nothing but one and done players year after year, with an ever changing rotation of players and zero continuity.

 

[EastCoast2]

Really makes you wonder if anything would have changed if there was no lockout. What if Sullinger, Barnes, Henson, Zeller, Jones, Lamb all left early?

 

[MikeSU02]

But that's beside the point of the entire article. You're going out of your way to take offense to an article basically saying Kentucky is ushering in a potentially bad trend in college basketball.

He's not taking offense to the article, he is taking offense to one argument that he is alleging (and I agree) isn't true.

And if that argument isn't true, then the whole article basically falls flat on the face of its purpose. Yes, he wants UK to lose, but this method of getting to where UK has gotten isn't anything new. Calipari hasn't professionalized college basketball any more than previous coaches. He may do it BETTER than other coaches, but he hasn't created it, which is what that argument is helping to forge.

 

[Upstate]

This is so hipster

 

[LennX6]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...cky-march-final-four-means-college-basketball

"It will disprove a lot of lingering suspicions about what does (and doesn't) work. It will mean that winning a title with freshmen and sophomores is not only plausible, but logical and inarguable."

Bullshit. 2003.

Anthony, GMac, Edelin - Fr
Forth, Warrick, Pace - Soph
Crafty Sr in Duany

Kentucky 2012 - Fr and So and crafty Sr in Miller.

Nothing new. The only difference is we didn't plan for it like Cal does every year...and make no mistake Cal didn't plan on Lamb and Jones coming back...THANKS NBA LOCKOUT!

JB does not get nearly enough credit for what he did with underclassmen that year. And only (1) one and done.

 

[BuffOrange]

He's not taking offense to the article, he is taking offense to one argument that he is alleging (and I agree) isn't true.

And if that argument isn't true, then the whole article basically falls flat on the face of its purpose. Yes, he wants UK to lose, but this method of getting to where UK has gotten isn't anything new. Calipari hasn't professionalized college basketball any more than previous coaches. He may do it BETTER than other coaches, but he hasn't created it, which is what that argument is helping to forge.

Yah. It's well written insomuch as most English teachers would give it a thumbs up. But it is void of sound logic. Typical Klosterman.

He mentions Memphis in '08 having the best team that should've won; but not winning validating his critics (the UCLA team they beat in the semi's had Kevin Love & Russell Westbrook btw). He then mentions UNC/UCLA/Cuse will recruit 1and dones harder than they do now if Kentucky wins this year.

So if he had fouled Mario Chalmers in 2008 (or if Rose had made 1 more FT), Roy Williams and Ben Howland and Jim Boeheim would've thought to recruit the best players 4yrs ago but since that didn't happen, they didn't (but they're going to start to next year)? LOL really Chuck.
It's as if he makes no distinction between 'critics' (nobodies on message boards) and HOF coaches. The latter group isn't that fickle. I'm pretty sure Kentucky winning these last two games isn't going to make Boeheim want Noel more than he already does.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

Really makes you wonder if anything would have changed if there was no lockout. What if Sullinger, Barnes, Henson, Zeller, Jones, Lamb all left early?

Bummer..hadn't thought about that. Sure would have been a different game if Sullinger wasn't there. Guy was a beast in the second half.

 

[EastCoast2]

Bummer..hadn't thought about that. Sure would have been a different game if Sullinger wasn't there. Guy was a beast in the second half.

SU would have been by far the best team in the country

 

[OttosBestFriend]

No, I'm taking offense to a poorly written article. This ISN'T a trend. This has been this way for 10 years.

Chuck Klosterman is one of, if not THE, most established, respected, and reputable sports, social issue and pop culture editorialists around.

The only reason why the article is "poorly written" is because it bugs you.

Not surprising for this forum though.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I feel sorry for people who can't see the difference between 2003 Syracuse and 2012 Kentucky.

 

[jekelish]

I feel sorry for people who can't see the difference between 2003 Syracuse and 2012 Kentucky.

Exactly. 2012 Kentucky just illustrates that Cal has turned that program into an NBA factory, which is what Klosterman is saying is wrong with the situation.

 

[djcon57]

Chuck Klosterman is one of, if not THE, most established, respected, and reputable sports, social issue and pop culture editorialists around.

The only reason why the article is "poorly written" is because it bugs you.

Not surprising for this forum though.

Holy .

I know who Chuck Klosterman is.

Pop Culture, yes. Sports, no.

Listen to his podcasts with Simmons. He's the typical "thinks he knows a lot" guy

 

[jekelish]

Holy ****.

I know who Chuck Klosterman is.

Pop Culture, yes. Sports, no.

Listen to his podcasts with Simmons. He's the typical "thinks he knows a lot" guy

Have to say, same could be said for Simmons, who doesn't know nearly as much basketball as he thinks.

 

[longtimefan]

I feel sorry for people who can't see the difference between 2003 Syracuse and 2012 Kentucky.

The big difference is that for SU, winning with such a young team in '03 was more a case of serendipity. Everything jelled perfectly. Which is to say, had you asked the coaching staff before the season started, they would have been very happy to make the FF. They had only one NBA-ready player that year, and Melo might have stayed for one more year if we had been eliminated early.

Kentucky under Cal, on the other hand, fully expects to win it all each year with their latest batch of one-and-dones. Had they been able to make a couple of 3's at the Dome two years ago, they would be in their 3rd consecutive FF, with three different rosters. UK has 3 lottery picks, and maybe another couple other first round picks on this year's squad, and had comparable levels of talent the two previous years.

Although SU '03 did it with an insanely young squad, the method of, and philosophy behind, construction of the roster was entirely different from what UK has apparently patented. So yeah, there's a big difference between SU '03 and UK '10-'12.

 

[LennX6]

The big difference is that for SU, winning with such a young team in '03 was more a case of serendipity. Everything jelled perfectly. Which is to say, had you asked the coaching staff before the season started, they would have been very happy to make the FF. They had only one NBA-ready player that year, and Melo might have stayed for one more year if we had been eliminated early.

Kentucky under Cal, on the other hand, fully expects to win it all each year with their latest batch of one-and-dones. Had they been able to make a couple of 3's at the Dome two years ago, they would be in their 3rd consecutive FF, with three different rosters. UK has 3 lottery picks, and maybe another couple other first round picks on this year's squad, and comparable levels of talent the two previous years.

Although SU '03 did it with an insanely young squad, the method of, and philosophy behind, construction of the roster was entirely different from what UK has apparently patented. So yeah, there's a big difference between SU '03 and UK '10-'12.

The scary thing is I think if he could have gotten over his "stuff" (big if), DeShaun Williams would have been a starting guard in 2002-03. It is all conjecture at this point , but it sort of illustrates how tenous getting a NC team together is. Also Hakeem was second choice to Julius Hodge, and ended up as good if not better.

 

[Millhouse]

Holy ****.

I know who Chuck Klosterman is.

Pop Culture, yes. Sports, no.

Listen to his podcasts with Simmons. He's the typical "thinks he knows a lot" guy

klosterman likes to think that everything he writes has some big aha type of big idea moment and there are suckers out there who don't check his work

 

[MikeSU02]

klosterman likes to think that everything he writes has some big aha type of big idea moment and there are suckers out there who don't check his work

100% agree. People that are fan boys of him speak like he won the MacArthur Genius Grant.

 

[strumpfasaurus]

Even if Kentucky does win it all carmelo still goes down as the best freshman of all time. That team dismantled two number 1 seeds defeated one hell of a kansas team and on top of that his 2 best games were in the final four and championship game. Nobody can touch Carmelo's one year season and what he accomplished.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

relax guys... SU is pretty too.

 

[bnoro]

Have to say, same could be said for Simmons, who doesn't know nearly as much basketball as he thinks.

Simmons wrote an article about the Red Sox this year that was embarrassing with his lack of knowledge at some points. For a guy that calls himself the Sports Guy, he really doesn't know as much about sports as he thinks. It's pretty bad.