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This team has really backed itself into a corner

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Saturday's loss while not unexpected (the blowout certainly was) shows how devastating it was to blow both those games against JHU and Duke. This team at 6-2 right now looks a lot better then 5-3, the team and the staff have really dug themselves a hole that they may not be able to get out of. To make things even worse Duke lost a reeling Carolina team giving up 17 goals and Hopkins after struggling with UMBC during the week got blown out by Rutgers of all teams this past Saturday. Not good.

I've pointed all of the issues I am about to run through but after this three game stretch I think there more apparent then ever.

Syracuse clearly doesn't have the quality depth it had in the glory years or even in the mid to late 2000's. The second mid line continues to be complete black hole despite having one of the biggest if not the biggest roster in Div 1. Syracuse is far from alone in not having much depth but for a program of this stature not to be able to run 2 lines while Denver is running 3 easily with production is scary. The same is true at SSDM, there is simply no depth behind Grimm and Gillis as Ciferi and the kid from Cali #14 have been abysmal this year. With so many midfielders unable to make an impact at O middie we should be moving at least 2 players to SSDM to see if they can make an impact ala Steve Ianzito.

From a personnel standpoint this has not been a good season for Desko. He seems unwilling to bench Evans or Ciferi despite continued poor play. Also despite rave reviews in the fall and pre-season camp its taken a herculean effort to get Paduda even a few draws game despite Ben clearly not being at 100% either physically or perhaps psychologically. We also guys like Cunningham and D'agostino come in and do a pretty good job on D replacing guys but then unable to get back on the field despite continued issues at those positions.

Desko's post game and weekly comments continue to show no sense of urgency or even accountability for that matter. It would be nice if he showed some emotion/anger for a change and really tried to fire the team up. The post game interview sounds like hes recapping a loss in a fall ball game in mid October where 100 people were watching. The lack of accountability also continues to be a sore spot with some fans, rarely here Desko take responsibility for a loss or poor play and by running the same lineup out there week after week there doesn't seem to be any accountability for the players either.

Defensive communication continues to be an absolute disaster. Poor communication, missed slides, late slides, early slides, no slide, failure to remember the scouting report on shooters, thinking you have help when you don't, helping for no reason leaving someone wide open, man down D non existent, abysmal goalie play, we unfortunately have it all. Lelan Rogers turned the D around and had a great run from 08-2013 but its clear the last few years the defense has been a disaster. Don't know if its the players or the scheme but its simply not working. Desko needs to either have a huge adjustment made or he needs to have a difficult discussion with Lelan and look to make a change because this cannot continue, were at the breaking point. Mark Coyle needs to make the Lax team his priority as soon as the season ends and he needs to ensure some changes are made at least internally in regards to scheme or what not.

So where do we go from here?
Like all things there is a potential to turn things around and there is usually a silver lining or two.

The wins against Albany and Army may end up saving this team as both schools are tearing it up and Albany is now back in the top 10. Hope these two keep winning because they are saving our SOS and RPI. UVA beating Hopkins last week and Richmond 9-0 this past Saturday could also turn that into a somewhat quality win, but to early to say that at this point.

The schedule while far from easy the next two games is clearly a step down in talent level and presents a golden opportunity for this team to get back on track. Hobart on Wed will be a difficult game despite the Bart being dominated there last game by St. Joes. Hobart hasn't played since 3/26 and will have had a week and a half to prepare for SU. They have a very good goalie and with the game being at Hobart expect him to stand on his head. Its absolutely critical SU win this game, a loss would be devastating. I should have more on this game later in the week.

For much of Syracuse's tenure under Desko the Orange usually responds when their up against it. Well this team is clearly up against it right now and it needs its veterans to step up. Donahue, Williams, Mullins, Barber, Grimm, Dejoe need to take it to the next level for the next two games.

Piroli is back. It may have been late in the game but Nick Piroli getting some PT was a great sign. I really hope he starts on Wed and the offense can come out firing on all cylinders. Getting Piroli back will push Barber back to the mid line immediately strengthening both units immensely.

Really hoping this team responds on Wed, while the game is on the road in what will be less then ideal conditions, there's not excuse for this team to not be ready after the last three weeks.
 
Remember Vaughn Harris?

He would have helped this year. A lot. :(
 
Remember Vaughn Harris?

He would have helped this year. A lot. :(
Thats why you can't rely on transfers from OCC etc. Exploited the recruiting woes over the past 2 years or so.
 
Remember Vaughn Harris?

He would have helped this year. A lot. :(

Agreed, but I can't fault SU on that one, they waited and did everything they could the kid just couldn't get eligible. What hurts is that guys like Maltz, Dejoe, McGinley and the kid at Richmond could really help shore up some of the offensive issues especially at midfield - McGinley having those off the field issues and that freak injury his frosh year really hurt. .

The bigger issue is that the '13 and '14 recruiting classes have been huge disappointment, the 2013 class especially. The #2 ranked class in D1 has almost nothing to show for it. Half the class isn't even with the school anymore and those that are ie Evans, Lane, Simmons, Westin etc have been underwhelming at best. 2014 class has somehow been worse with all those middies unable to make any sort of impact and Thorpe blocked from PT as he is a pure attackmen who cant play middie.
 
Agreed, but I can't fault SU on that one, they waited and did everything they could the kid just couldn't get eligible. What hurts is that guys like Maltz, Dejoe, McGinley and the kid at Richmond could really help shore up some of the offensive issues especially at midfield - McGinley having those off the field issues and that freak injury his frosh year really hurt. .

DeJoe? Do you mean DeJohn?

Nash from Tully is the kid who ended up at Richmond.

And don't forget Forkin. He dropped right off the map.
 
Can we lose another game besides acc tourney and still make tournament?
 
DeJoe? Do you mean DeJohn?

Nash from Tully is the kid who ended up at Richmond.

And don't forget Forkin. He dropped right off the map.

Sorry yes meant Dejohn. Forkin I believe may have had grade issues, he ended up at a JUCO. Also I was thinking of the kid at Highpoint who transferred from SU, Nash going to Richmond was for the best he wasn't going to get PT here.
 
Alex Hatem went to Richmond also. He's got to be who you were thinking of.

The kid who went to High Point was Jimmy Wyrick.
 
Fix the D and the rest will follow. IMHO that's the core problem right now. We can't hold leads in the 4th and the goalie is getting no help. You do have to question the apparent failure to develop the SSDM position. Move some of the O mids and give them a shot. I'd personally start with Lane.

With the exception of UNC, they should be able to win the remainder of the schedule. The ACC Tournament is a crapshoot.
 
Fix the D and the rest will follow. IMHO that's the core problem right now. We can't hold leads in the 4th and the goalie is getting no help. You do have to question the apparent failure to develop the SSDM position. Move some of the O mids and give them a shot. I'd personally start with Lane.

With the exception of UNC, they should be able to win the remainder of the schedule. The ACC Tournament is a crapshoot.
Lane is way too slow to play SSDM.
 
Fix the D and the rest will follow. IMHO that's the core problem right now. We can't hold leads in the 4th and the goalie is getting no help. You do have to question the apparent failure to develop the SSDM position. Move some of the O mids and give them a shot. I'd personally start with Lane.

With the exception of UNC, they should be able to win the remainder of the schedule. The ACC Tournament is a crapshoot.

I have been echoing those thoughts to move a few guys to SSDM but Lane is not one of them. He is WAY to slow to play SSDM. Would be a disaster. Someone like a Simmons, Ford, McKinney, Schwanick, etc would be better options. Not sure if on of the redshirting frosh fit the mold but I wouldn't move Hutchings or O'reilly until they get a shot at middie and I am definitely not moving Romano, he should be in the top 2 lines next year maybe even the 1st line.
 
He's fast enough and his size would be a huge advantage. He started out at attack.

Lane is a player without a home, he doesn't have the speed for attack or SSDM and he doesn't have the athleticism/skill to play midfield. Lane's best bet is likely a man up specialist with some time at midfield against zones. His true home is attack but not at the D1 level.
 
I have been echoing those thoughts to move a few guys to SSDM but Lane is not one of them. He is WAY to slow to play SSDM. Would be a disaster. Someone like a Simmons, Ford, McKinney, Schwanick, etc would be better options. Not sure if on of the redshirting frosh fit the mold but I wouldn't move Hutchings or O'reilly until they get a shot at middie and I am definitely not moving Romano, he should be in the top 2 lines next year maybe even the 1st line.

Maybe we could try recruiting actual D-Mids instead of converting O-Mids. ;)
 
Maybe we could try recruiting actual D-Mids instead of converting O-Mids. ;)

Agreed! Feel like the coaches underestimate the importance of this position.Our guys are undersized and not very fast (with the exception of Grimm) and continue to get picked on. Our slides by our long poles are not good enough to compensate.During the days of Megill and Lade this wasn't the case.
 
Maybe we could try recruiting actual D-Mids instead of converting O-Mids. ;)

Sign me up for that, I can't remember the last time we actually did that to be honest, which is scary. Next year the position could be twice as bad as it is now without an infusion of talent. If Grimm was seriously hurt Saturday I shudder to think what kind of play were going to get the rest of the year.
 
Maybe we could try recruiting actual D-Mids instead of converting O-Mids. ;)
Agreed. Sometimes athletes are just good at their natural positions. :noidea:
 
I have been echoing those thoughts to move a few guys to SSDM but Lane is not one of them. He is WAY to slow to play SSDM. Would be a disaster. Someone like a Simmons, Ford, McKinney, Schwanick, etc would be better options. Not sure if on of the redshirting frosh fit the mold but I wouldn't move Hutchings or O'reilly until they get a shot at middie and I am definitely not moving Romano, he should be in the top 2 lines next year maybe even the 1st line.
I believe Schwanick actually got some time at SSDM towards the end of the game Saturday. Hopefully they are at least trying to fix the problem.
 
If Lane is too slow to play DMid then he's too slow to play anywhere. Why is he in the top 6 offensive mids then? Slow is Evans and that's why Evans may have found himself a home on the crease. I don't think Lane is all that slow though to play DMid and think he'd be better served playing there. His size alone would be a huge asset at the spot. Defense is about footwork, position and desire.

What I think we need to get away from is recruiting all these smurf middies, they get over powered playing defense. But as someone else said maybe you need to recruit a couple of dedicated defensive middies. Kids who've played the position their entire careers; instead of converting kids who haven't.

I personally hate the way the game has become so specialized though, offensive mid, defensive mid yadda yadda, I'd rather have a kid who can do both. Your best most athletic offensive middies should also be your best most athletic defenders.
 
One other thing I'd add, is that I'm not a big fan of recruiting outside the traditional areas. I'd probably only do it for the really special athletes, the 6-0 + 200 kids that run 4.5's. The Mullins. I think there's a huge drop off in lacrosse IQ for a lot of these kids.
 
If Lane is too slow to play DMid then he's too slow to play anywhere. Why is he in the top 6 offensive mids then? Slow is Evans and that's why Evans may have found himself a home on the crease. I don't think Lane is all that slow though to play DMid and think he'd be better served playing there. His size alone would be a huge asset at the spot. Defense is about footwork, position and desire.

What I think we need to get away from is recruiting all these smurf middies, they get over powered playing defense. But as someone else said maybe you need to recruit a couple of dedicated defensive middies. Kids who've played the position their entire careers; instead of converting kids who haven't.

I personally hate the way the game has become so specialized though, offensive mid, defensive mid yadda yadda, I'd rather have a kid who can do both. Your best most athletic offensive middies should also be your best most athletic defenders.

Lane is playing there because honestly there isn't anyone else. There's a reason he's on the second mid line and his PT has been slowly decreasing each game. Hess a guy with tremendous size and a cannon shot if he has time and room but he really doesn't have a position at the D1 level. He would probably excel at a D2 or a lower D1 school playing attack but he doesn't have the speed to dodge by anyone at this level and he hasn't learned how to bull his way in ala a Staats or even a Jones. If SU had two top tier attackmen you could give Lane some run as a third attackmen and probably get some positive results but this team doesn't have that luxury unfortunately.
 
There are probably a few LSMs on the bench that know the slide packages and can run out there as Dmids. At this point I'm more worried about having guys out there who know where to go rather then guys who can turn defense to offense (as a Cuse fan it pains me to say that).
 
Lane is playing there because honestly there isn't anyone else. There's a reason he's on the second mid line and his PT has been slowly decreasing each game. Hess a guy with tremendous size and a cannon shot if he has time and room but he really doesn't have a position at the D1 level. He would probably excel at a D2 or a lower D1 school playing attack but he doesn't have the speed to dodge by anyone at this level and he hasn't learned how to bull his way in ala a Staats or even a Jones. If SU had two top tier attackmen you could give Lane some run as a third attackmen and probably get some positive results but this team doesn't have that luxury unfortunately.

Lane runs down the alley just fine. He has the speed to play defense. But he might just be bad at that to.

And what exactly does Dejoe do or bring to the table? He has no business seeing the field either. Nadda. He has nothing but a hard shot, that's only marginally accurate.

Here's the rub, there are 24 middies listed on the roster. If there's no one else out of the remaining 18 kids then that's a serious failure.
 
There are probably a few LSMs on the bench that know the slide packages and can run out there as Dmids. At this point I'm more worried about having guys out there who know where to go rather then guys who can turn defense to offense (as a Cuse fan it pains me to say that).

If kids 'dont know where to go' then that's all on the coaching staff.
 

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