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Message: [QUOTE="OttoMets, post: 2107776, member: 716"] I think that's one of the under-played bits of good fortunate SU's experienced. Twice we've had core groups of vets completely rebuild a group of losers into a fairly sustainable winning program. Huge credit to the group you mentioned overcoming the stink of the dysfunctional two teams that preceded it (the over-achieving Allen Griffin 2001 team had some of the problems that would boil over and submarine the next season, his leadership helped keep them on the same page). More credit still goes to Rautins and Scoop in 2009. It can be difficult to turn around a toxic culture, even with good talent. [/QUOTE]