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Message: [QUOTE="dollarbill44, post: 4500642, member: 686"] When first half effort is a consistent problem, who is at fault, the players or the coaches? Cue the old man high school story: We had one "effort" type of contest my junior year. We never wanted to have another one after the first practice after that game, which was moved up from the Saturday 8:00 am tume to 6:00 am. This, after we had to sit and get harangued by the coach for 30 minutes after the game for our lack of effort before hitting the showers. You can probably see where I'm coming out on my question posed above. One lack of effort game is probably on the players. Multiple times it's on the coach(es). [/QUOTE]