Title or bust

[jdubs30]

THIS. We are a damn good team year in and year out.. its time we start making hay with some of these good teams. Where there is smoke, there is fire. 4 out of 36 past the round of 16 just isn't enough for an elite program.

This year's team SEEMS different, so hopefully they'll be able to make a run.

 

[Fairlylegal]

I say 2010's better than 2007.

Too early to say. I could certainly see it being better but the 2007 class has gotten us five tourney wins (with hopefully more to come) as well as some high rankings and regular season success.

 

[moqui]

Until Brandon grauduates.

He has a damn good chance of starting every game all 4 years during the best 4 year stretch in SU history.

yep, Brandon should ultimately own the Wins record (which is currently 114 by Stevie Thompson followed closely by 113 for Derrick Coleman . . . Kris sits on 111 . . . Scoop is at 102 . . . Brandon has 83)

Louie and Bouie have the best 4 year winning percentage, going 100-18, .843
Stevie was 114-30, .792
Kris sits at 111-24, .822
Brandon sits at, 83-14, .856, but there is a long way to go and who knows whether next year's team will continue this amazing run.

 

[BuffOrange]

That A&M loss doesn't bother me as much. We really weren't a good team that year and were exhausted from the BET.

Yah, Vegas had that game as a pick 'em for good reason.

Vermont is for some reason the most memorable 13v4 upset of all time by a landslide to the average CBB fan (I don't think it's just because I'm an SU fan) for reasons still unknown. Is it because of Gus Johnson? The ridiculous 3 from deep? The only one that compares is Princeton-UCLA, and that's just because an Ivy team was involved. Bucknell-Kansas that same night was comparatively quickly forgotten even before KU won it all in '08, and that wasn't a virtual road game for KU like it was for us. :noidea:

In any case, I'm sorta on board with title or bust even though I fully realize it is a ridiculous lofty expectation given the crapshoot that the tournament is. Whether we lose in the S16 or the national semi's, meh. Quick, who lost in the nat'l semi's 3yrs ago? Most people who don't live ncaab cannot come close to remembering without looking it up.

 

[themorey]

Cuse will always lose to some random team with a dumb ass sniper raining 3's from half-court.

 

[jdubs30]

Cuse will always lose to some random team with a dumb ass sniper raining 3's from half-court.

I was talking to my dad who was wondering if Cuse was gonna "peak" too early. I said the only way we don't go to New Orleans is if we run into a team that hits 14 3's vs. us. No team is gonna beat us unless they are hot from deep.

 

[Marsh01]

that may end up being the case, but if Dion and Fab leave early w/o getting past the Sweet 16, what then?

And, I will put a special note in for the 2008 class, because even though it is a small group and one of the two barely played at all, when all is said and done, Kris is going to leave the school with close to 1500 points and over 600 boards and as the winningest player in SU history.

much better avatar.,...old school board

 

[OttoMets]

that may end up being the case, but if Dion and Fab leave early w/o getting past the Sweet 16, what then?

And, I will put a special note in for the 2008 class, because even though it is a small group and one of the two barely played at all, when all is said and done, Kris is going to leave the school with close to 1500 points and over 600 boards and as the winningest player in SU history.

Hadn't thought of it that way. We have 111 wins in the past four years, and Kris has 5 DNPs. I think Stevie Thompson won 114? Kris has a real shot at matching that.

 

[OttoMets]

yep, Brandon should ultimately own the Wins record (which is currently 114 by Stevie Thompson followed closely by 113 for Derrick Coleman . . . Kris sits on 111 . . . Scoop is at 102 . . . Brandon has 83)

Louie and Bouie have the best 4 year winning percentage, going 100-18, .843
Stevie was 114-30, .792
Kris sits at 111-24, .822
Brandon sits at, 83-14, .856, but there is a long way to go and who knows whether next year's team will continue this amazing run.

Ah, you covered this.

Do the DNPs count as career wins for a player?

 

[Alsacs]

While all of us would be disappointed without a NC my expectations are Final Four or bust. Once we get to the Final Four unless we have 2 weak teams in the Final Four a la UConn in 2011 I don't think we can consider the year a failure if we lose a game to Missouri or Ohio State down in New Orleans. I just don't want to lose a game wearing the white jersey if we end up being the number 1 overall seed then I guess it would be championship or bust, but if we aren't the number 1 overall seed its Final Four or bust for me.

 

[moqui]

Ah, you covered this.

Do the DNPs count as career wins for a player?

no, they don't . . . but I didn't take them into account for Kris; I will fix that tomorrow, thanks for pointing it out

 

[OttoMets]

no, they don't . . . but I didn't take them into account for Kris; I will fix that tomorrow, thanks for pointing it out

Cool, thanks. I think he missed four his freshman year and then one last year (the concussion game).

 

[alibrat66]

So sick of these kinds of comments.

I laugh at Syracuse fans. They gloat about regular season victories and the fact that they have 1 loss. It's the same thing every year. I've seen his movie before. March rolls around and they are bounced in the early rounds. They are such underachievers and largely a disappointing tournament team.​

Like it or not thats the perception other teams fans have of us, people think we're loaded every year like duke or kansas and bow out early every year in the tourny. The reality is we're very rarely a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament, and went about 20 years where we werent a top 2 seed. But that never gets mentioned, people only remember richmond and vermont and butler and think that happens every year. Getting to a final 4 would shut some of them up, but we need another title to shut all of them up. ​

I'm simply enjoying this ride, one game at a time. The Cuse has provided a lot of exciting moments so far this season. Staying in the present is the best state for this fan.

 

[DNABB5]

much better avatar.,...old school board

I'd like to mention my liking of Gorilla's return as well moqui.

 

[armory]

9 years ago is a lifetime to new recruits.

Literally. Pretty sure we're recruiting as young as 9 now it seems

 

[sufandu]

I say 2010's better than 2007.

You may be right. If Greene had stuck around for one more year and not been so worried about using his freshman year as an NBA tryout, we may have had a more accurate comparison.

 

[mikekan14]

THIS. We are a damn good team year in and year out.. its time we start making hay with some of these good teams. Where there is smoke, there is fire. 4 out of 36 past the round of 16 just isn't enough for an elite program.

Not only is it the lack of deep runs, we haven't played up to our seed since the championship season. With the exception of Oklahoma, we've lost in the tourney to a lower seeded team every time. That's been frustrating.

 

[LennX6]

Eh, let's be honest. We have hugely underachieved in the NCAA tournament. Only 4 times past the Sweet 16 is embarrassing in what is it, 36 years ? We should have made at least 2 or 3 more regional finals in that time, if not a couple more final fours.

Embarrassing may be a strong term, but point is well taken. I think this year, with the last 2 as a backdrop, we are a permanent elite team.

 

[ForeverOrange]

Right now I will take getting past the sweet 16, and then go from there. I will say this, a team that doesn't rebound well, usually doesn't end up very successful in the dance. One of the things that I remember from the championship season, we rebounded, we weren't blowing people out on the boards, but they held their own on the glass. This season time and time again we have seen poor effort on the glass with spots of good effort, we need to find a way to tighten that up before march, or a lot of us will be very disappointed at the end result of this season.

 

[SBU72]

that may end up being the case, but if Dion and Fab leave early w/o getting past the Sweet 16, what then?

And, I will put a special note in for the 2008 class, because even though it is a small group and one of the two barely played at all, when all is said and done, Kris is going to leave the school with close to 1500 points and over 600 boards and as the winningest player in SU history.

I would not do that as KJ has to be one of the softest players that suppose to be a team leader that I can remember. He is not consistent enough to pull up the 2008 class all by himself. His point total and rebounds can be as attributed to the number of games he has played as anything else.

 

[OrangeMojo]

So sick of these kinds of comments.

I laugh at Syracuse fans. They gloat about regular season victories and the fact that they have 1 loss. It's the same thing every year. I've seen his movie before. March rolls around and they are bounced in the early rounds. They are such underachievers and largely a disappointing tournament team.​

Like it or not thats the perception other teams fans have of us, people think we're loaded every year like duke or kansas and bow out early every year in the tourny. The reality is we're very rarely a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament, and went about 20 years where we werent a top 2 seed. But that never gets mentioned, people only remember richmond and vermont and butler and think that happens every year. Getting to a final 4 would shut some of them up, but we need another title to shut all of them up. ​

yep - it's annoying - this team NEEDS to get past the sweet sixteen this year

as a likely #1 seed they simply have to do it, or the perception may be uncomfortably close to the reality

 

[moqui]

Cool, thanks. I think he missed four his freshman year and then one last year (the concussion game).

correct, he missed 4 games in his freshman year . . . the team was 2-2 in those games, and as you note he was out with the concussion for the loss to Pitt last year, so that makes Kris 109-21 in his career (.838) to this point. I don't have the full chart that I created last year when I was tracking Ricky's win total, but I think that ties Kris for 3rd in most wins and puts him first for 4 year players in winning percentage.

note: Ricky finished 106-35 which (IIRC) at the time was 5th or 6th in wins and 3rd in games played

 

[pfister1]

9 years ago is a lifetime to new recruits.

Strange, strange comments considering the success we've had recruiting recently.

 

[OttoMets]

correct, he missed 4 games in his freshman year . . . the team was 2-2 in those games, and as you note he was out with the concussion for the loss to Pitt last year, so that makes Kris 109-21 in his career (.838) to this point. I don't have the full chart that I created last year when I was tracking Ricky's win total, but I think that ties Kris for 3rd in most wins and puts him first for 4 year players in winning percentage.

note: Ricky finished 106-35 which (IIRC) at the time was 5th or 6th in wins and 3rd in games played

This would be a nice accomplishment. If you'd asked me in the mid-1990s, I'd have said that Stevie's 114 would be #1 forever.

 

[OttoMets]

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/2012/02/kris_joseph_on_verge_of_becomi.html

Moqui, Mike Waters neglected to give you credit for scooping him on this story.