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Message: [QUOTE="KevMonstah, post: 2917451, member: 327"] I'd point out ... it's not just recruit ranking that's a factor. To wit, Butler made back-to-back title game appearances with classes you would not remotely call nationally ranked. But, their coaching and program made them into a pretty good team. I think an issue with SU is that they'd like to pull in the top tier talents who basically have NBA stars in their eyes when they get to Cuse, but the program itself with its zone D pretty much requires guys to stay and develop, and I don't think JB and staff have ever quite figured out how to make that work to the satisfaction of some/many/most/all. That said, that list of rankings from the OP is depressing. I much prefer watching them with more talented kids. Kev [/QUOTE]