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Tom Green- former player and coach at Cuse

I loved watching Tommy Green play. He was what could be called a gritty player who was in no way a "stat-stuffer". I searched for a box score of this game but was unsuccessful. However, I did have a copy of the 1969 SU Yearbook which contained the following recap of that ill-fated visit to the state of Kansas:

"Twin drubbings by Kansas State and Kansas in the Sunflower Doubleheader to complete 0-5 road trip . . . K-State, playing with three regulars benched with the flu, zoomed to a 45-29 half-time bulge anyhow . . . Big Bill Smith fouled out midway in the second half assuring the Wildcat's 88-68 success . . . Following night's date with Kansas and Olympian Jo Jo White even less successful . . . Stalling Orange held the skyscraping Jayhawks to a 24-14 lead at half . . . Turnovers force winless visitors further behind . . . Danforth calls off stall and White leads Kansas onslaught . . . Kansas 70-Syracuse 40 (I'm guessing this was a typo as actual score was 71-41).

I'm having a tough time seeing any evidence of Tommy's tough (i.e. effective) play. It certainly wasn't at the offensive end and if I take my Orange colored glasses off I would bet that Jo Jo White picked Tommy's pockets and/or forced a number of turnovers. On the defensive side - I'm sure that Danforth had Tommy covering Jo Jo, who lead the Kansas onslaught. I loved Tommy but he (as well as the whole team) was clearly overmatched in this game.
Except I recall the game. I was following the team - not a particularly good team.

I don't think I listened to the game on WSYR, but I do recall that Tommy Green played tough against a much more talented team that included a future NBA great - Jo Jo White.

Tommy played so tough that he became known as "Jo Jo" Green.

I can't account for what was included in the 1969 Yearbook that you have mentioned - including the mistaken score - but I am pretty sure that in the SU BB literature somewhere there is an explanation for why Tommy became "Jo Jo" - his tough play against a great player who quite obviously overmatched him physically and overmatched a weak SU team.
 
Did you see the game?
No.

In those days, SU BB was not on television.

I listened to Joel Mareiniss on WSYR Radio and later listened to some truly great student broadcasters on WAER - including Dave Cohen, Andy McWilliams and Bob Costas.

Of all of them, I thought Dave Cohen was the best radio BB play-by-play I had ever heard. He clearly studied Marv Albert and had a great radio voice. ("the Kid (Kohls) shoots . . . the Kid HITS!").

Frankly, I thought he was better as a student than he was later on as a professional.
 
No.

In those days, SU BB was not on television.

I listened to Joel Mareiniss on WSYR Radio and later listened to some truly great student broadcasters on WAER - including Dave Cohen, Andy McWilliams and Bob Costas.

Of all of them, I thought Dave Cohen was the best radio BB play-by-play I had ever heard. He clearly studied Marv Albert and had a great radio voice. ("the Kid (Kohls) shoots . . . the Kid HITS!").

Frankly, I thought he was better as a student than he was later on as a professional.
The story I remember is that the name was attached because JoJo owned him.
 
"From the Mists of Time"

Roy Danforth inherited a mess. Harper, Hicker and Cornwall were gone now. Wayne Ward who had had a decent sophomore season, averaging 13 points and 6 rebounds and shooting 58%, was lost due to academic and legal problems. Ernie Austin who had a poor sophomore season, shooting 37%, was academically ineligible for the first half of the season. Bob McDaniel aced that by flunking out of school, (although he returned for the next season). There were rumors about Bill Smith’s status but he managed to stay eligible. SU’s media guide for 1968-69 says, truthfully, “At the pre-season stage, it is hard to pinpoint a genuine strength.”

On top of that, somebody had scheduled 10 of the first 11 games on the road, (wouldn’t Dick Vitale love that!). In the second game, SU played at Niagara. Danforth must have been in a macho mood because he junked the stall concept and decided to run with the Eagles. When the smoke had cleared, Calvin Murphy had scored more points than any player had ever scored against a major college team, 68. (Pistol Pete Maravich had 69 vs. Alabama later that year and that record stood for a generation- why LSU and Niagara never scheduled a game in this period is difficult to understand, unless Murphy was the wrong color for the Bayou Bengals). Niagara won, 110-118.

After a loss to Fordham came the trip to Kansas to play Kansas State and Kansas on successive nights. Both were national powers in those days. The Wildcats had no problem with SU, winning 68-88. But the real embarrassment came the next night when SU took on the Jayhawks for the first time ever. They were led by their star, Jo Jo White. Danforth decided the only way SU could stay in this game was with the stall. NC State had famously upset Duke in the ACC tournament the previous March by carrying the stall to its absurd end in a 12-10 win:
On March 8, 1968... - StateFans Nation

The thing is, they couldn’t even execute that properly. White and his teammates destroyed it with defensive pressure, running away from SU 41-71 while the crowd booed the Orange’s unwillingness to play normal basketball as well as their ineptitude at even executing their chosen strategy. This was the first of several games in this period that would contend for “The Bottom”- the time when the situation was as bad as it could be, with nowhere to go but up.

The strangest game was the trip to Provo to play Brigham Young. (I suspect that these games were arranged to give SU a national profile in the wake of the Bing years and the good recruiting that followed. Unfortunately we came up empty at the wrong time). The Cougars would go on to win the WAC that year but on this night, SU beat them, 77-73. Not only did the Orange win the game but they won the brawl that broke out with the Mormons at the end of it. But the optimism that created blew away in Portland, Oregon, where SU played Washington State, Arizona State and Yale, (yes Yale), and lost to all three by an average of 18 points.

After a home win over Pittsburgh, SU traveled to Connecticut to play an 0-10 UCONN team. They got blown out, 94-103, (they were down by 20 points much of the game). If I had to choose a low point in the entire history of my career as an SU basketball fan, that might be it. They lost another five in a row after that. I was “dazed and confused”, wondering how the SU powerhouse I expected to be rooting for had turned into a 4-14 disaster.
 
The story I remember is that the name was attached because JoJo owned him.
I don’t recall that. I don’t recall anybody being derisive about Tommy Green. Did you see the Kansas game?
 
I don’t recall that. I don’t recall anybody being derisive about Tommy Green. Did you see the Kansas game?
I was an undergrad, and couldn't afford a trip to Kansas. I did have tenuous connections with people in the basketball program, and that's where I got the Intel on what happened when an average (at best) college player began his career vs. the recent Olympian and future Hall-of-Famer.
 
I was an undergrad, and couldn't afford a trip to Kansas. I did have tenuous connections with people in the basketball program, and that's where I got the Intel on what happened when an average (at best) college player began his career vs. the recent Olympian and future Hall-of-Famer.
A tenuous connection.

Interesting.
 

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