Tom Izzo Has Entered The Chat

[Ghost]

OK, Tom, let’s see you not start your star player…

"I don't even know if I'm going to start him the next game," Izzo said after the loss, which dropped Michigan State to fourth place in the Big Ten standings.

Izzo threatens to bench Fears after tech in Michigan State loss

Michigan State head coach Tom Izzo called out star guard Jeremy Fears after he was accused of employ dirty tactics for the second straight game, this time earning a critical technical foul in a 76-73 loss to Minnesota.

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He tripped a dude in the first half of the Illinois game tonight too. Inexplicably, the refs replayed it and determined it was accidental.

Izzo has always been a hypocrite. lol He may eventually bench him if someone is seriously injured.

What's Fears on now anyway - a four game tripping streak with multiple attempts in the Minnesota game?

 

[Briancuse]

He tripped a dude in the first half of the Illinois game tonight too. Inexplicably, the refs replayed it and determined it was accidental.

Izzo has always been a hypocrite. lol He may eventually bench him if someone is seriously injured.

What's Fear's on now anyway - a four game tripping streak with multiple attempts in the Minnesota game?

He talked about benching him.after he kicked the dude in the junk, now you have to send a message and do it.

 

[Ghost]

He talked about benching him.after he kicked the dude in the junk, now you have to send a message and do it.

Oh, I watched that Minny game - they don't even mention in that article that he tried tripping people in that game too.

That was in addition to kicking the dude in the nuts...

The kid is unhinged.

 

[Newhouser]

Izzo is a fraud. Steve Kerr of college basketball. First guy with moral outrage unless it's his guys committing the offense.

 

[Ozcuse]

Damn I got excited seeing this topic thinking it was to replace Red.

My kingdom for a semi competent coach.

 

[Ghost]

I don't get why every time Fears tries kicking someone in the nuts now the broadcasters just pretend it's a perfectly normal movement.

He's been caught doing it intentionally like 5 times. They think the other 5 times his leg has awkwardly shot up into someone's nuts was just a coincidence?

It seems a tad insane to pretend the other times aren't also on purpose. Like, you REALLY lost the benefit of the doubt - yet, somehow, every broadcaster...gives him the benefit of the doubt.

He did it again today.

 

[Newhouser]

I don't get why every time Fears tries kicking someone in the nuts now the broadcasters just pretend it's a perfectly normal movement.

He's been caught doing it intentionally like 5 times. They think the other 5 times his leg has awkwardly shot up into someone's nuts was just a coincidence?

It seems a tad insane to pretend the other times aren't also on purpose. Like, you REALLY lost the benefit of the doubt - yet, somehow, every broadcaster...gives him the benefit of the doubt.

He did it again today.

Did Izzo do anything?

 

[Ghost]

Did Izzo do anything?

No, I think everyone is comfortable pretending it was an accident for whatever reason. Not sure if Ohio State commented after the game. Doubtful. Izzo seems to just pretend it's accidental, and ppl only care because Fears has a bad rep.

I didn't catch that Harlan said this during the game, good for him:

“His shot was off target, but his knee was not..."

 

[Millhouse]

So... when you look at the current student populations in higher education you see a lot of non-traditional students, continuing ed, etc.

With the student body demographics changing, why can't that also apply to student-athletes.l? What's the difference between a person that graduates high school, works for ten years, and decided to go back for a degree and is able to get a scholarship to do so, and a guy that graduates high school, does two years in the G league, plays for a few years in Europe, can't make money as a professional basketball player anymore, so chooses to go to school to get a degree and is able to get a scholarship to play basketball to do so?

You'll probably say they're not an amateur anymore. And you're right. But we don't have amateurs now. So I ask again, what's the difference?

Having student-athletes like this would raise the talent level and level of play of college basketball. And we might even find that they provide a lot of roster stability. There's a good chance a lot of these guys aren't mercenaries and would use their full eligibility on their way to a degree. Some institutions could get a competitive advantage by making themselves appealing to guys that want to settle in for a while. They might even be great mentors and "coaches on the floor" to the guys that are on a traditional college timeline. These would all be positives for college hoops.

No

 

[Millhouse]

No

Non traditional students are welcome to sit quietly and get their degree and not interfere with normal college students

 

[2B20Again]

Yep. One thing coach conveniently left out. Those 21, 22 year olds he's complaining about are someone's kids too. Their parents are hoping they can get an education and play more basketball too. Yeah they've been paid money playing basketball but they've also likely failed at that to an extent or they wouldn't be looking for another opportunity. Do we really want a potential education to not be an opportunity? Do we cringe because they've been paid likely less than some of the players already on the team were paid in NIL while in school? Landscape has changed.

Disagree. Landscape May have changed, but that doesn’t make it right. No rules and no consequences are chaos. Flexible rules are even worse. Allowing lawyers to be determining factor, ludicrous. Politics has invaded all areas of life, sad very sad.

 

[Bayside44]

Non traditional students are welcome to sit quietly and get their degree and not interfere with normal college students

Yeah its ridiculous. The world where a 25 year old is competing with a 19 year old is dumb.

People have been cheating with their kids for years, hold them back young, redo a grade, etc etc to push the margins out. Now you see these SEC kids judge shopping for two full presidential terms of college sports.

Cignetti did a great job but his average starter was 23 and a half years old.

 

[Ghost]

Yeah its ridiculous. The world where a 25 year old is competing with a 19 year old is dumb.

People have been cheating with their kids for years, hold them back young, redo a grade, etc etc to push the margins out. Now you see these SEC kids judge shopping for two full presidential terms of college sports.

Cignetti did a great job but his average starter was 23 and a half years old.

Yeah, someone was pointing out that Lendeborg, Michigan's star SF, was a senior in college when Boozer was a Sophomore in High School.

Yet here they are squaring off yesterday.

I think he's only 23 or 24 but started playing at Arizona Western in 2020.

 

[miamicuse]

I don't think age difference is the problem. In boxing and wrestling you have weight classes, but in NBA you have 38 yo playing against 19 yo all the time not sure why that is an issue, and the Olympics don't have a problem with age differences either.

The front and center, fundamental criteria for college sports, should be whether someone is a student first and the sport participation is secondary. I think this is where they define the line between amateur and pros. All the rules that NCAA had were to make sure there is no pay for play, but in reality pay for play is not an issue as long as the athlete is a real student here for higher learning.

Therefore, I am ok with LeBron, after retiring from the NBA, to go back to college for a degree and play in CBB for a few years.

But there is no way to really qualify someone who is a student first sport participation second. All the other rules NCAA has were basically saying if you are willing to play for free you must be a student. Well that just moved the payments under the table and when NIL came into the picture everything fell apart.

I think they need to go back to the drawing board and rework how they qualify a student athlete. For example if you want to play college sport you need to be a degree seeking student. Get rid of the one and dones let them go right to the G league or NBA. Heck, take all your NIL earnings and put it into escrow, once you get your degree the fund is released, if you don't earn a degree the money is forfeited and goes to some charity. If you are not here to be a student you shouldn't be playing college sports. That will turn college sports back to a place for 4 year degree seeking students.

Either that or completely detached college sport teams from the schools. The teams can field players however they like with no NCAA oversight no need to be enrolled in college and become the new improved G league. They are just loosely affiliated with the school because they are located there and rent the facilities from the schools.

 

[Scooch]

It's OK to have some rules.

We age gate sports constantly: U18, U14, Mites, Pee Wees, Little League, Babe Ruth, Pop Warner, etc. We can age gate college sports too.

Bayside44 nailed it talking about parents cheating the system. My kid, an 18 year old freshman, is currently playing behind a 21 year old sophomore who was held back and PG'd. It's the way it is, but it all seems a bit foolish.

 

[Millhouse]

It's OK to have some rules.

We age gate sports constantly: U18, U14, Mites, Pee Wees, Little League, Babe Ruth, Pop Warner, etc. We can age gate college sports too.

Bayside44 nailed it talking about parents cheating the system. My kid, an 18 year old freshman, is currently playing behind a 21 year old sophomore who was held back and PG'd. It's the way it is, but it all seems a bit foolish.

i assume lacrosse? it's just crazy.

college sports is crazy now. guys stalling and transferring all the time so they can play rinky dink college baseball for nobody when they're 24? it's so weird.

 

[Cheriehoop]

i assume lacrosse? it's just crazy.

college sports is crazy now. guys stalling and transferring all the time so they can play rinky dink college baseball for nobody when they're 24? it's so weird.

They used to be forced to grow up and play in city rec leagues where there were no school nor age requirements if that was their dream. Guess some people just can’t give up the dream of being a “star” in college instead of city rec star at 25.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

So... when you look at the current student populations in higher education you see a lot of non-traditional students, continuing ed, etc.

With the student body demographics changing, why can't that also apply to student-athletes.l? What's the difference between a person that graduates high school, works for ten years, and decided to go back for a degree and is able to get a scholarship to do so, and a guy that graduates high school, does two years in the G league, plays for a few years in Europe, can't make money as a professional basketball player anymore, so chooses to go to school to get a degree and is able to get a scholarship to play basketball to do so?

You'll probably say they're not an amateur anymore. And you're right. But we don't have amateurs now. So I ask again, what's the difference?

Having student-athletes like this would raise the talent level and level of play of college basketball. And we might even find that they provide a lot of roster stability. There's a good chance a lot of these guys aren't mercenaries and would use their full eligibility on their way to a degree. Some institutions could get a competitive advantage by making themselves appealing to guys that want to settle in for a while. They might even be great mentors and "coaches on the floor" to the guys that are on a traditional college timeline. These would all be positives for college hoops.

They had their chance. They are taking opportunities away from kids who haven’t had theirs yet.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

He tripped a dude in the first half of the Illinois game tonight too. Inexplicably, the refs replayed it and determined it was accidental.

Izzo has always been a hypocrite. lol He may eventually bench him if someone is seriously injured.

What's Fears on now anyway - a four game tripping streak with multiple attempts in the Minnesota game?

This is why the NHL allows fighting.