Trebor Pena transferring to PSU

[Nick44]

Everyone I’ve talked to in major college football has the same belief… there will be a 50+ team super league In the very near future. Everyone else will exist in a league below without such large NIL constraints.

We’re fighting to be a mid-tier team from a financial support standpoint within that framework while shooting to be something greater.

This type of situation is going to continue to exist across all of college football until this framework is in place and governance is developed for it.

You can’t blame the player for doing what’s in their best interest. They’re cattle who can now choose their butcher. Some become show worthy and go to the next level. Most, will try to capitalize on what they can before hitting the deli counter.

The only thing we’re debating at this point is how they’re handling their departures. It’s not and won’t be our choice, the players are running their own businesses. They’re the CEO of themselves, which is exactly what so many fought for. Whelp, this is what it looks like.

20 year old’s, most of which have zero business experience or negotiating skills, being led by people with similar experience levels in most cases. Bad decisions will be made. Good decisions will be made. Some will learn from them, some won’t.

The vast majority of these kids don’t even realize they need to pay income taxes on this. It’s a clown show. Fran is an outlier trying to provide multiple outlets to his players teaching financial literacy. He mandates setting aside 40% of their pay. Not many schools are doing that.

Sooo….you think we are in the super league or the minor league?

 

[Finwad32]

Sooo….you think we are in the super league or the minor league?

I think we’re in the super league.

 

[rrlbees]

I think we’re in the super league.

Agree

 

[shu 49]

Exactly. We’re crapping on kids for partaking in a system the adults have benefitted from for a long time. How many coaches have recruited and lied to parents faces about committing to a program, only to leave for more $ after signing day.

I agree and disagree. 5 years of school is 250,000 g's. Add on food and all the clothes they got. if u were a coach, u get paid also but in salary. I hate how it is now but do want the kids to get more than just school and housing. I would first find a number all kids can make and then ditch all agents asap. They are whats killing this thing.

 

[OmahaCuse]

I agree and disagree. 5 years of school is 250,000 g's. Add on food and all the clothes they got. if u were a coach, u get paid also but in salary. I hate how it is now but do want the kids to get more than just school and housing. I would first find a number all kids can make and then ditch all agents asap. They are whats killing this thing.

5 years of school at SU, with food, room/board, clothes other perks is 500k. If you get an advanced degree in 5 years that has a huge future value. Stuns me some of these kids leave a IVY league school to go play at other places.

 

[Orangefan1]

S

Agree

Syracuse plays with the big boys

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Better for the players.

The totality of the current system is a net negative for the sport, writ large.

We'll see how the tension between those two things plays out. You know my prediction... an insular, two-conference league of ~40 schools with the left behinds forming a perpetually disadvantaged mid-major conference or downgrading to an entirely new level of play.

I get the extreme passion some have for college sports, but many here liken it to pro sports leagues that are trying to run out the little guy. Perhaps it’s time for colleges to concentrate on education, not sports.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I agree and disagree. 5 years of school is 250,000 g's. Add on food and all the clothes they got. if u were a coach, u get paid also but in salary. I hate how it is now but do want the kids to get more than just school and housing. I would first find a number all kids can make and then ditch all agents asap. They are whats killing this thing.

Coaches get huge perks: cars, club membership, below market mortgages, radio and tv shows, NIL deals, etc. They have Agents for all of that. Why not the players?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I get the extreme passion some have for college sports, but many here liken it to pro sports leagues that are trying to run out the little guy. Perhaps it’s time for colleges to concentrate on education, not sports.

That's funny. good luck with that

 

[Bulldog04]

I don't believe he will come back. Having said that, people come back from things with a lot worse said than anything that has been said here.

I mean heck look at what George costanza said to his boss and he showed back up like nothing happened and tried to slip him a Mickey!

 

[Consigliere]

I think we’re in the super league.

Heard David Falk say the same at the NIL roundtable recently. Rumor has it he has pretty good sources.

 

[Faegan]

I mean heck look at what George costanza said to his boss and he showed back up like nothing happened and tried to slip him a Mickey!

Yes but he'll always be better than George. Because he's a winner, and George is a loser.

 

[Finwad32]

Heard David Falk say the same at the NIL roundtable recently. Rumor has it he has pretty good sources.

I was there as well and had the good fortune to talk to David afterwards. What a nice guy. He came up and started asking me questions, completely engaging. Had a really good conversation about NIL, his career and what he’s doing now.

 

[Consigliere]

I was there as well and had the good fortune to talk to David afterwards. What a nice guy. He came up and started asking me questions, completely engaging. Had a really good conversation about NIL, his career and what he’s doing now.

Most of the panelists were very impressive. Talked to several afterwards but didn’t get to David. I will say that one of them left me a little cold though…….

 

[OttosShoes]

Problem with the super league is that it could take a few different forms.

If it's 50 teams we're pretty much a lock.

If it's a ~25 team SEC/B1G cartel...that is more complicated.

 

[orange79]

Most of the panelists were very impressive. Talked to several afterwards but didn’t get to David. I will say that one of them left me a little cold though…….

 

[Scooch]

I get the extreme passion some have for college sports, but many here liken it to pro sports leagues that are trying to run out the little guy. Perhaps it’s time for colleges to concentrate on education, not sports.

Power conference colleges do concentrate on education. The P4 has some of the most prestigious and academically rigorous universities in the world. It's not like they don't walk and chew gum at the same time.

And big time sports are great for student interest. They drive applications and engage alumni long after they've graduated.

I actually think we're disjointedly moving towards a place where college athletic departments are increasingly their own entity. Basically a university will "sponsor" a professional (in every sense but a legal definition) sports program. It'll function more as The Athletics Department AT Syracuse University rather than OF Syracuse University.

Obviously college Presidents won't want to explicitly frame it that way. Because they need to maintain the illusion of student athletes and all that nonsense. But it'll exist that way in reality.

 

[Scooch]

Heard David Falk say the same at the NIL roundtable recently. Rumor has it he has pretty good sources.

If we were to start a Super League from scratch then I'd guess SU would be in it.

The problem - as we've learned from 35+ years of constant conference realignment - is that these things are always driven by short term thinking, not thoughtful, strategic, long term plans.

Is there a universe where a few years from now things happen quickly and haphazardly, 6-to-8 schools from the ACC land in the B1G and SEC, maybe a few Big 12 schools do as well, and suddenly the Super League is set and we're on the outside looking in? Absolutely there is.

 

[orange79]

If we were to start a Super League from scratch then I'd guess SU would be in it.

The problem - as we've learned from 35+ years of constant conference realignment - is that these things are always driven by short term thinking, not thoughtful, strategic, long term plans.

Is there a universe where a few years from now things happen quickly and haphazardly, 6-to-8 schools from the ACC land in the B1G and SEC, maybe a few Big 12 schools do as well, and suddenly the Super League is set and we're on the outside looking in? Absolutely there is.

Much like bnoro, you...

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[CA Monk]

Trebor who...?

 

[Owens guy]

Penn St. must not have paid his asking price.

A lot of schools have allocated much of their $ too.

 

[kirbivore]

Better for the players.

The totality of the current system is a net negative for the sport, writ large.

We'll see how the tension between those two things plays out. You know my prediction... an insular, two-conference league of ~40 schools with the left behinds forming a perpetually disadvantaged mid-major conference or downgrading to an entirely new level of play.

Or dropping the sport entirely. I could see a some schools in a geographical area that makes sense just dumping football and just playing the other sports. A Big East model if you will.

 

[kirbivore]

Coaches get huge perks: cars, club membership, below market mortgages, radio and tv shows, NIL deals, etc. They have Agents for all of that. Why not the players?

 

[Irishsecra1]

Well it looks like he wants to live in the warm weather.
Lets see him unite with Iamalaeva at UCLA- as they both dumped their teams for the hope of more money.