Zelda Zonk
2022 Iggy Winner: ACC Tourney Record
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Should any team sign him?
I've read only a bit about his case. I must have missed some stuff, so help me understand.
I'm not campaigning for him, nor defending him, nor advocating for him, but what i've seen indicates that all of his 'abhorrent' behavior occurred with women who encouraged/requested (at least parts of) it, and continued in the relationships with him, through the multiples of those incidents. I read that one woman said she had been choked to unconsciousness "a dozen or so" times. Which begs the question: how were those practices allowed to continue?
I hope this doesn't come across as victim blaming, but at what point does the 'victim' have a responsibility to stop activity they deem unwanted?
Bauer seems to have also demonstrated by showing communications of the women's request for/interest in the various acts. And those relationships persisted over multiple years.
So, call him a sicko, or a s---ual deviant or whatever, but doesn't that mean the women are the same? If the issue is that he often went even further than what they thought they were getting into... how many times can you go back for more without endorsing that same action?
Does this end his career? The guy was a Cy winner very recently. Talent shouldn't eclipse morality, but who is judging the morality here? Seems more like teams are avoidant simply because of the optics and they're wary of attaching their brand to something unseemly, despite it not having been recognized as illegal. No charges were pressed and i think restraining orders were released.
Deshaun Watson now has an NFL contract, after multiple incidents of unwanted advances, with people with whom he was not in intimate relationships. What is the difference? That Bauer's were more 'violent?' Again, though, that violence was consensual at most levels. '
Thoughts?
I've read only a bit about his case. I must have missed some stuff, so help me understand.
I'm not campaigning for him, nor defending him, nor advocating for him, but what i've seen indicates that all of his 'abhorrent' behavior occurred with women who encouraged/requested (at least parts of) it, and continued in the relationships with him, through the multiples of those incidents. I read that one woman said she had been choked to unconsciousness "a dozen or so" times. Which begs the question: how were those practices allowed to continue?
I hope this doesn't come across as victim blaming, but at what point does the 'victim' have a responsibility to stop activity they deem unwanted?
Bauer seems to have also demonstrated by showing communications of the women's request for/interest in the various acts. And those relationships persisted over multiple years.
So, call him a sicko, or a s---ual deviant or whatever, but doesn't that mean the women are the same? If the issue is that he often went even further than what they thought they were getting into... how many times can you go back for more without endorsing that same action?
Does this end his career? The guy was a Cy winner very recently. Talent shouldn't eclipse morality, but who is judging the morality here? Seems more like teams are avoidant simply because of the optics and they're wary of attaching their brand to something unseemly, despite it not having been recognized as illegal. No charges were pressed and i think restraining orders were released.
Deshaun Watson now has an NFL contract, after multiple incidents of unwanted advances, with people with whom he was not in intimate relationships. What is the difference? That Bauer's were more 'violent?' Again, though, that violence was consensual at most levels. '
Thoughts?