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[QUOTE="jncuse, post: 2093805, member: 1969"]
[B]All I am trying to do is find a way to equate the records of Gonzaga and the 3 top PAC-12 teams.[/B]    I am not arguing that the WCC = Pac 12 top to middle.  It doesn't and I never stated that.

1.  We are comparing Arizona-Oregon-UCLA vs Gonzaga.   Of course the P12 is better at the top.

They have 3 great teams vs 1 great team.  I agree they are better at the top.  [B]That is the very reason I am discounting 2 losses from those teams at the top of the Pac-12.  [/B]

2.   What I am trying to determine is if I should discount the Pac-12 records by even more than 2 games.   So I need to compare the other decent teams in both conferences.  6 games in the WCC vs  7 or 8 in the Pac-12

Cal, USC, Utah, Stanford. Colorado

vs

St. Mary's, BYU, San Francisco

I am comparing them based on this year.   Not prior year.  Not their historical prestige, their fanbase, their arenas, the players they currently have in the NBA.   And I don't care if BYU has 25 year olds on their team.

Before you say the Pac12 group is clearly better.  Consider the following

- St. Mary's is clearly the best of the group based on any analytical system. 
- Analytics say that San Francisco is about the same level as Stanford
- The above group of WCC teams is 3-1 against those Pac 12 teams this year.

St. Mary's wins by 15 at Stanford
BYU win over Colorado
San Francisco win over Utah on a neutral court
USC wins over BYU on a neutral court

I don't understand how one could then argue the Pac12 group above is that much harder.   I am not arguing that the group of WCC is better.  But are they certainly no worse.

I view it as a wash.  So I am not going to discount the records of Arizona, Oregon or UCLA anymore.

3.   I don't care if Washington, Washington St,  Oregon St, and Arizona St, have been good teams in the past.  Any top 3 seed will sweep the above teams and will sweep the bottom teams in the WCC.  They are all irrelevant games.
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