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Message: [QUOTE="CaptainJ, post: 2374148, member: 1553"] Have you considered you may have no idea what rate it's happened at? Let me go further and ask you where you set the bar for "low". Let me take it even a step further and ask an open ended question about how some of these athletes' financial and educational backgrounds may have differed from the backgrounds of whatever other 19 year olds that have gone to China in the past? Certainly our national has been morally degrading over time due to the media, and this isn't something that happened overnight. How different is this than what happened at the Olympics, where foreigners likely now think of us as the Urine-Nation(tm)? It's interesting, and somewhat amusing, to observe the reactions to this being Ball's kid is involved. [/QUOTE]