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Message: [QUOTE="alphaorange, post: 178699, member: 305"] Look, I don't wish to debate this on here with you or educate you on what is or is not available, no offense intended. I manufacture mechanical systems for a living and I am quite capable of calculating electrical outputs based on available technology and efficiencies. The stuff is available right now to put huge dents in the use of fossil fuels. If you honestly believe that big oil lobbies are not contributing to the snail pace of competitive fuel sources, you might be a bit naive. If I have time, I'll try to find some sites for you to look at. [/QUOTE]