UVA/Michigan State game thread...

[raf4488]

I'm not sure there's a team out there that can match up with Virginia better than Michigan State, and of course UVa gets them in the tournament 2 years in a row. Really sucks for them

 

[Jake]

UVA's inability to score was really an issue in the final 3-4 weeks if the season. No matter how good your defense is, you have to be able to score in the dance.

I thought they be out early and has MSU in this game in my brackets. I thought both Nova and UVA were vulnerable in this region. I've got msu-northern Iowa in the elite 8.

Lville also struggles to score and won't be around very long.

UVA might be preseason top 3 next year. Everyone comes back just about. They need a shooter who can get his own shot badly.

 

[ORRange]

But are they just becoming a more like able Pitt?

Mirror image of the regular season dominant , post season gagging Pitt teams.

 

[BuffOrange]

I mean UVA was in the double bonus really early. I think it's just human nature to notice the bad calls more against the team that's behind because everyone wants a thrilling finish (also why refs usually favor team that's behind). They just are not a great team without a healthy Anderson.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

UVA's inability to score was really an issue in the final 3-4 weeks if the season. No matter how good your defense is, you have to be able to score in the dance.

I thought they be out early and has MSU in this game in my brackets. I thought both Nova and UVA were vulnerable in this region. I've got msu-northern Iowa in the elite 8.

Lville also struggles to score and won't be around very long.

UVA might be preseason top 3 next year. Everyone comes back just about. They need a shooter who can get his own shot badly.

Agreed. My bracket has MSU beating LSU to get to final four.

Virginia not the same team without Anderson at 100%.

I love how hard both teams played.

 

[longislandcuse]

I mean UVA was in the double bonus really early. I think it's just human nature to notice the bad calls more against the team that's behind because everyone wants a thrilling finish (also why refs usually favor team that's behind). They just are not a great team without a healthy Anderson.

Nah, there was a stretch where the refs straight up started stroking out. Coincidentally starting when UVa had momentum, down 6 with a monster block and should have been heading back on offense. For the next 2-3 minutes the refs were body snatched by MSU fans.

 

[tbonezone]

My bracket had been on life support. It is now officially dead.

"pulled the plug like starting a lawnmower."

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

I was trying to root for UVA, but I just can't root for that style of basketball. I know offensive efficiency, blah blah blah... give me wasted possessions, and an up and down game where the teams are actively trying to score. Just awful. You can't win a championship just playing one style, and UVA proved it again. Their style of play is an abortion to what the game of basketball is supposed to be. I'm glad they lost because hopefully this awful slow it down style will start swinging back to what the college game was in the late 80s and early 90s.

Let athletes be athletes! These *cking coaches who thing they can control every part of every game need to go. Thank God they lost if only because it spares me from having rusty metal spokes slammed into my eyes for another 40 minutes of what they call "basketball."

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Thanks for a UVa thread, cto... and for the comments Cuse fans... Signing off for a bit... another disappointing year and feeling once again we got jobbed... oh well, nothing new... MSU is as beloved as Duke...

You didn't get jobbed, your teams style of play is what's jobbing you. 1 for whatever from the three point line is what jobbed you. At some points, teams need to learn to play different styles in the tourney, because you'll come against teams that can stop you cold at what you do best. When you don't have a back up plan, this is what you get.

 

[Madbiker]

UVA shooting was just putrid--29.8% for the game. Brogdan and Perrentes 1-10 from 3 and 5-22 from the field. Ouch. I don't think those two missed that many shots in their last 10 games combined (exaggeration here). But what a melt down. I know they never miss against us.

 

[jsshap]

You didn't get jobbed, your teams style of play is what's jobbing you. 1 for whatever from the three point line is what jobbed you. At some points, teams need to learn to play different styles in the tourney, because you'll come against teams that can stop you cold at what you do best. When you don't have a back up plan, this is what you get.

The refs were brutal and I'd say uva got more than half of the bad calls but not the type of loss that can be attributed to refs especially bc it was 4-10 point lead almost the entire game.

 

[pearl31]

Thanks for a UVa thread, cto... and for the comments Cuse fans... Signing off for a bit... another disappointing year and feeling once again we got jobbed... oh well, nothing new... MSU is as beloved as Duke...

you got jobbed because your best player went down and then could never really come back. and your coach not really being able to coach offense doesn't help either

 

[pearl31]

You didn't get jobbed, your teams style of play is what's jobbing you. 1 for whatever from the three point line is what jobbed you. At some points, teams need to learn to play different styles in the tourney, because you'll come against teams that can stop you cold at what you do best. When you don't have a back up plan, this is what you get.

amen

 

[Ghost]

I'm not sure there's a team out there that can match up with Virginia better than Michigan State, and of course UVa gets them in the tournament 2 years in a row. Really sucks for them

Agreed - bad match-up for them. Wisconsin would be another nightmare.

Outside of Carolina and two UNC games they only broke 70 once in 2015. And once Anderson went down they seemed even more out of sync offensively.

 

[orangecuse]

UVA's inability to score was really an issue in the final 3-4 weeks if the season. No matter how good your defense is, you have to be able to score in the dance.

I thought they be out early and has MSU in this game in my brackets. I thought both Nova and UVA were vulnerable in this region. I've got msu-northern Iowa in the elite 8.

Lville also struggles to score and won't be around very long.

UVA might be preseason top 3 next year. Everyone comes back just about. They need a shooter who can get his own shot badly.

Share this same sentiment and why I chose them over UVA in my bracket as well...actually have them going all the way to the final four. When I saw this match up in the round of 32 for UVA, I knew if would be extremely tough for them because they struggle mightily to score. UVA's MO is D, but the king of D and proven toughness in the tournament is MSU and Izzo Rules in March. No way UVA was beating MSU at their own game...maybe in December or January, but not in March.

 

[Ghost]

Nah, there was a stretch where the refs straight up started stroking out. Coincidentally starting when UVa had momentum, down 6 with a monster block and should have been heading back on offense. For the next 2-3 minutes the refs were body snatched by MSU fans.

This. I by no means think UVA was going to win this game, but I do think that horrid stretch was a game-changer.

I mean, when you're struggling and have some huge momentum plays go in your favor - it's huge. The refs stole that momentum down the stretch whenever the opportunity presented itself. It was sh***y.

UVA plays off their defense, that was a phenomenal block, a potential momentum changer, they call the foul on Atkins. Contact on the other end exceeded that - but no call followed. Free throw contest ensues and Atkins is stuck on the bench - 14 boards and the only player on UVA in double-digits at the time.

UVA is about to get a steal or jump ball, Michigan State is awarded a time out without having possession of the ball. Huh? I mean, it doesn't get more basic than that. Izzo can't just stop play because he feels like it - but this time he could.

Some calls are harder than others - but even without the replay I don't think a single person didn't see the errors on those plays - the announcers sure did. For a team like UVA especially, those are HUGE calls - because the offense comes off the defense. There were a couple other questionable ones, but those to me, decided the game. Again, not saying UVA would win - but the officiating did a lot to ensure they would not.

I think people are way too dismissive about the impact these calls have - giving a kid a 4th foul on an insanely clean block is huge - it's not just one blown call, it's everything that may have followed and it's having to put that kid on the bench. Same thing with the timeout. Yeah, I do think UVA loses, but that stuff killed them imo.

UVA was god-awful on offense though - so, they need to place most of the blame on themselves fwiw...

But officiating in this tourney is just as awful as UVA's offense thus far....

 

[Jake]

I was trying to root for UVA, but I just can't root for that style of basketball. I know offensive efficiency, blah blah blah... give me wasted possessions, and an up and down game where the teams are actively trying to score. Just awful. You can't win a championship just playing one style, and UVA proved it again. Their style of play is an abortion to what the game of basketball is supposed to be. I'm glad they lost because hopefully this awful slow it down style will start swinging back to what the college game was in the late 80s and early 90s. Let athletes be athletes! These *cking coaches who thing they can control every part of every game need to go. Thank God they lost if only because it spares me from having rusty metal spokes slammed into my eyes for another 40 minutes of what they call "basketball."

A-freaking-men. More and more I have found myself rooting for style of play more so than for / against traditional rivals.

I can't watch the virginia, Lville, Pitt, butlers of the world play.

I'd root for UNC and ND over all of them.

 

[Ghost]

A-freaking-men. More and more I have found myself rooting for style of play more so than for / against traditional rivals.

I can't watch the virginia, Lville, Pitt, butlers of the world play.

I'd root for UNC and ND over all of them.

I know - I think I would have more fun watching replays of BYU/Ole Miss than 50% of these tourney games. lol

 

[FrancoPizza]

You didn't get jobbed, your teams style of play is what's jobbing you. 1 for whatever from the three point line is what jobbed you. At some points, teams need to learn to play different styles in the tourney, because you'll come against teams that can stop you cold at what you do best. When you don't have a back up plan, this is what you get.

Honestly there's a strong streak of hypocrisy if you can't see that such a statement fits SU to a T.

 

[HOFCeluck]

This board and blaming the refs. JHC.

they shot below thirty percent...but yeah the fix was in!

 

[Ghost]

This board and blaming the refs. JHC.

they shot below thirty percent...but yeah the fix was in!

Nobody said it was fixed - the officiating is just a **** show. Did you think those were fantastic calls?

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

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Honestly there's a strong streak of hypocrisy if you can't see that such a statement fits SU to a T.

Was this a conversation about Syracuse or our style of play? I don't have an issue with UVA's defense, same as I don't have an issue with SU's. It's the style of offense that is abhorrent.

I fully believe that SU will run if given the chance, will not waste the shot clock "just because" they can lower possessions. SU doesn't wait 30 seconds and then start their offense. If other teams were interested in running, and playing fluid basketball, SU does as well.

If saying UVA's offense is a detriment to the game of basketball is hypocritical in some way because of SU's offense, I'm not sure where you're drawing that conclusion from.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Nobody said it was fixed - the officiating is just a **** show. Did you think those were fantastic calls?

I think there's a difference Between saying the officiating was poor and saying that it decided the game. This was a team that should have been a one seed? Play better next time against a mediocre squad.

The fact that the refs had to come into the equation at all is an indictment of Uva.

 

[orangefan13]

I think there's a difference Between saying the officiating was poor and saying that it decided the game. This was a team that should have been a one seed? Play better next time against a mediocre squad.

The fact that the refs had to come into the equation at all is an indictment of Uva.

Good post

VU / MichSt
42.5 percent to 29.8
2-17 from 3 vs 6-12
both teams equal 5-6 in turnovers and assists 7-6
virginia had 18 offensive boards vs michigan states 7 giving virginia a edge.
18-26 from the line vs 20-33 from line - michigan state was only 60% from the freethrow line vs virinia near 70%.
Michigan state practically led the whole game.

uva
4-10
3-9
2-7
2-10
3-12
1-2
1-3
1-4

 

[Ghost]

I think there's a difference Between saying the officiating was poor and saying that it decided the game. This was a team that should have been a one seed? Play better next time against a mediocre squad.

The fact that the refs had to come into the equation at all is an indictment of Uva.

Eh, that logic never made much sense to me. It's like if someone runs a light and hits your car as you cross on the green - you gonna tell the person that got hit that they have to drive better?

When people say it decided the game it's mostly semantics - people are prone to exaggeration when talking sports. I'm sure if you nailed them down they would just say it impacted the game - to whatever extent. It's like when you say that was the greatest shot ever while watching a game - chances are you don't mean it was literally the greatest shot ever (unless you're Bill Walton).

Officials are on the court too though, so it's all a major part of the equation that gets analyzed...

Michigan State probably shouldn't have been a 7 seed. UVA was a 1 or a 2. What was the Vegas line? UVA giving up 3 points?

You think UVA was supposed to win by 20 or something? It was expected to be a close game. UVA won a game with 45 points this year - they're not blowing any decent team out most nights.