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Kyle’s problem is similar to what Jesse’s problem was here. It’s hard to be effective when your perimeter players are constantly getting cooked. Has zero to do with height, but you knew people would go there smh.

Sorry, but Kyle guarding one on one in the low post against guys 3 inches taller and 30-40 pounds heavier was on display many times this season.
 
The problem with Red's presser is that he chose to speak the truth to only part of the issue (lack of toughness). Overall, I really disliked it, especially his comment where he said something to the effect of "well, i guess I have to take accountability for this". Uh, yeah Red. You should but you're clearly not which is a BIG part of why we suck.
 
Sorry, but Kyle guarding one on one in the low post against guys 3 inches taller and 30-40 pounds heavier was on display many times this season.
“But otherwise, that's a big part of why we have been so poor.”

Your words. You think Kyle instead of name whomever is why the team is 15-14? Coach talked about lack of toughness and both ends, and the first guy you thought about was Kyle?
 
The talent was never that good. The insiders or “insiders” were wrong there too.
There is enough offensive talent in this team that they could have at least been mediocre offensively as a team if they were given a system that generated decent shots. 29 games in and no one on this team knows how to use a high screen (not to mention they cant seem to set a decent screen without moving) or pick and roll when they're double teamed on the screen and the screener peels off alone with no defenders in the lane. This happens multiple times every single game. Btw, our opponents kill us multiple times a game with the same play.

We also rarely pass out of a double team, choosing instead to try to dribble around or through it, often resulting in a steal. And when we do pass out of it, it's rarely to the uncovered guy. This is basketball 101 that every high school coach knows, or should. Heck, we were coached this in middle school.
 
In other bad coaching observations, stop switching to the zone. Team doesn’t execute it well, with slow rotations, even more glaring, they can’t rebound to save their lives out of it.

It’s like instant momentum for the other team.
That's the genius of it - we go to the zone, let the other team get an 8 or 10 point run, then, Bam! We hit them with man to man and they have to burn a TO! It's important to make the opponent use their TOs.
 
“But otherwise, that's a big part of why we have been so poor.”

Your words. You think Kyle instead of name whomever is why the team is 15-14? Coach talked about lack of toughness and both ends, and the first guy you thought about was Kyle?

No, I don't blame our record on Will Kyle. He's been great. He's one of the best shot blockers we've had in 20 years.

We assembled a pretty darn good roster, probably the most talent SU has had in 10 years.

But the fact is, Kyle is clearly not 6-9; he's 6-7. Maybe he weighs 220. He's tough, and athletic as hell, but he is often too small to defend in the low post. He looks like all those times we played terrific players like Maliq Brown out of position in the post because we didn't have anyone else.

I think Soare is a decent backup center, but Red seems to have lost faith in him, and instead plays Donnie as a "Small Ball 5". Donnie doesn't even TRY to play interior defense. He picked up Fat Eddie's habit of turning away when people drive right down Broadway.

Big, big part of our problem. He plays guys who don't help on the interior defense. We block lots of shots, but other than Sadiq and Soare, guys like Donnie, Betsey and sometimes Kyle don't block out on defense, to make sure we secure the defensive board.

How many offensive rebounds have we given up because these guys simply don't fight for it?

Who do we "blame"?

Donnie didn't come close to expectations. That's obvious. He's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. He's as soft as they come for a player with SO MUCH TALENT. Really poor basketball IQ. He doesn't seem to understand how to win games, which is so fundamental. He's just not that competitive. I don't feel like he 'loves' basketball like some guys do.

Some people are fixated on JJ being better than what he showed us over the last 3 years of his career, and that wasn't likely to happen, folks.

He is the SAME PLAYER he showed us the last 2 years. It's terribly unfair to the kid to expect him to be someone who he's not.

What I hoped for coming into this season, is that he would accept being 2nd fiddle, and I think he did. I think he was terrific about putting his ego aside to try to help the team win. But, no, sorry, he's not a star player.

News flash - he was never meant to be! And you guys kill this local kid. It seems really unfair to me.

George hasn't had a solid handle, and has only sporadically been able to throw those lob feeds to the bigs that we have seen from time to time. He has had some terrific games, but he has some games where he just falls apart. I wouldn't throw him away; I think he is going to learn and be better from the experience, if he comes back under a good coach.

Nate Kingz has brought his shooting numbers up to acceptable levels after a poor start. I feel like he has done well getting to the rim and finding shots in the mid-range when his 3 wasn't falling earlier in the season. Yes, sometimes other guys get the better of him, but I think he was one of our better defenders all season long (how many blocked shots did he have?). Yes, he wasn't at his best until a month or two into the season, but he makes the "all effort" team, in my opinion.

I don't "blame" Kiyan Anthony for not being better. He was a frosh, he started out well against non-P5 competition, but when the defense got more physical, he was not up to it. We hoped he could have been a scoring sparkplug off the bench, and he was for maybe one game out of every five or so. But his defense was terrible, and his shot selection got worse as he found it harder and harder to get into the lane. But he wasn't supposed to be "the star' either.

Sadiq was fine. If he's back, he starts for me at PF next year. I love how he plays. He's got great skills, and yes, he has more upside than Terrence Roberts was able to deliver. But he's that kind of talent - bouncy, really good defender, jump hook inside, can catch the lob feed for a dunk, blocks shots. He's my guy next year.

I don't think rotations were optimal, but if you look at it, Red got better in terms of minutes distribution. Nobody really played more than 30 minutes a game, after people complaining about people getting 36 minutes a game last year who maybe didn't earn them.

Red had a total "lack of feel" for when to make his substitutions, though. He was too robotic about it. Lack of intensity on defense is mostly on the coach, for not sitting people down when they make a lazy mistake. You don't have to yell, and you don't have to be mean - but you DO have to coach them.

On offense, when the guys moved without the ball, sometimes we looked great. But we never sustained that kind of offense for more than 5 minutes at a time, if that.

We focused on fast breaks and turnovers to generate offense. And that's great when guys are playing hard and it works.

But we didn't focus enough on the hard work of half-court offense and defense. That's on the coach. Pride, and effort is on the players.

But if they don't try, and you don't take them out immediately, that's when you lose the respect of a team.
 
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No, I don't blame our record on Will Kyle. He's been great. He's one of the best shot blockers we've had in 20 years.

We assembled a pretty darn good roster, probably the most talent SU has had in 10 years.

But the fact is, Kyle is clearly not 6-9; he's 6-7. Maybe he weighs 220. He's tough, and athletic as hell, but he is often too small to defend in the low post. He looks like all those times we played terrific players like Maliq Brown out of position in the post because we didn't have anyone else.

I think Soare is a decent backup center, but Red seems to have lost faith in him, and instead plays Donnie as a "Small Ball 5". Donnie doesn't even TRY to player interior defense. He picked up Fat Eddie's habit of turning away when people drive right down Broadway.

Big, big part of our problem. He plays guys who don't help on the interior defense. We block lots of shots, but other than Sadiq and Soare, guys like Donnie, Betsey and sometimes Kyle don't block out on defense, to make sure we secure the defensive board.

How many offensive rebounds have we given up because these guys simply don't fight for it?

Who do we "blame"?

Donnie didn't come close to expectations. That's obvious. He's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. He's as soft as they come for a player with SO MUCH TALENT. Really poor basketball IQ. He doesn't seem to understand how to win games, which is so fundamental. He's just not that competitive. I don't feel like he 'loves' basketball like some guys do.

Some people are fixated on JJ being better than what he showed us over the last 3 years of his career, and that wasn't likely to happen, folks.

He is the SAME PLAYER he showed us the last 2 years. It's terribly unfair to the kid to expect him to be someone who he's not.

What I hoped for coming into this season, is that he would accept being 2nd fiddle, and I think he did. I think he was terrific about putting his ego aside to try to help the team win. But, no, sorry, he's not a star player.

News flash - he was never meant to be! And you guys kill this local kid. It seems really unfair to me.

George hasn't had a solid handle, and has only sporadically been able to throw those lob feeds to the bigs that we have seen from time to time. He has had some terrific games, but he has some games where he just falls apart. I wouldn't throw him away; I think he is going to learn and be better from the experience, if he comes back under a good coach.

Nate Kingz has brought his shooting numbers up to acceptable levels after a poor start. I feel like he has done well getting to the rim and finding shots in the mid-range when his 3 wasn't falling earlier in the season. Yes, sometimes other guys get the better of him, but I think he was one of our better defenders all season long (how many blocked shots did he have?). Yes, he wasn't at his best until a month or two into the season, but he makes the "all effort" team, in my opinion.

I don't "blame" Kiyan Anthony for not being better. He was a frosh, he started out well against non-P5 competition, but when the defense got more physical, he was not up to it. We hoped he could have been a scoring sparkplug off the bench, and he was for maybe one game out of every five or so. By his defense was terrible, and his shot selection got worse as he found it harder and harder to get into the lane. But he wasn't supposed to be "the star' either.

Sadiq was fine. If he's back, he starts for me at PF next year. I love how he plays. He's got great skills, and yes, he has more upside than Terrence Roberts was able to deliver. But he's that kind of talent - bouncy, really good defender, jump hook inside, can catch the lob feed for a dunk, blocks shots. He's my guy next year.

I don't think rotations were optimal, but if you look at it, Red got better in terms of minutes distribution. Nobody really played more than 30 minutes a game, after people complaining about people getting 36 minutes a game last year who maybe didn't earn them.

Red had a total "lack of feel" for when to make his substitutions, though. He was too robotic about it. Lack of intensity on defense is mostly on the coach, for not sitting people down when they make a lazy mistake. You don't have to yell, and you don't have to be mean - but you DO have to coach them.

On offense, when the guys moved without the ball, sometimes we looked great. But we never sustained that kind of offense for more than 5 minutes at a time, if that.

We focused on fast breaks and turnovers to generate offense. And that's great when guys are playing hard and it works.

But we didn't focus enough on the hard work of half-court offense and defense. That's on the coach. Pride, and effort is on the players.

But if they don't try, and you don't take them out immediately, that's when you lose the respect of a team.
Agree with a lot of your observations. Wasted year. I was excited for a strong year, but not to be.
 
Sorry, but Kyle guarding one on one in the low post against guys 3 inches taller and 30-40 pounds heavier was on display many times this season.
agreed

just look at points in the paint in ACC play...its been crazy lopsided in favor of opponents...and center is the guy who that falls on, mostly.

kyle is a player with a lot of weaknesses and some good strengths. for me, i wish syracuse could get back to getting players without obvious deficiencies because i beleive it makes it very hard to be a good basketball team when you have: a center who cant shoot, cant shoot free throws, cant guard tall centers 1 on 1, have a pg who cannot pentetrate, have a shooting guard who cannot shoot, have a shooting guard who cannot play defense, have a backup shooting guard who cannot play defense, etc etc

for me kyle would be a great backup. a great backup. or a great option with 2 centers who get equal minutes or something like that.

but as your only viable center? recipe for disaster...as we have seen
 
agreed

just look at points in the paint in ACC play...its been crazy lopsided in favor of opponents...and center is the guy who that falls on, mostly.

kyle is a player with a lot of weaknesses and some good strengths. for me, i wish syracuse could get back to getting players without obvious deficiencies because i beleive it makes it very hard to be a good basketball team when you have: a center who cant shoot, cant shoot free throws, cant guard tall centers 1 on 1, have a pg who cannot pentetrate, have a shooting guard who cannot shoot, have a shooting guard who cannot play defense, have a backup shooting guard who cannot play defense, etc etc

for me kyle would be a great backup. a great backup. or a great option with 2 centers who get equal minutes or something like that.

but as your only viable center? recipe for disaster...as we have seen
To quote the old guy, not 10 games without him.
 
agreed

just look at points in the paint in ACC play...its been crazy lopsided in favor of opponents...and center is the guy who that falls on, mostly.

kyle is a player with a lot of weaknesses and some good strengths. for me, i wish syracuse could get back to getting players without obvious deficiencies because i beleive it makes it very hard to be a good basketball team when you have: a center who cant shoot, cant shoot free throws, cant guard tall centers 1 on 1, have a pg who cannot pentetrate, have a shooting guard who cannot shoot, have a shooting guard who cannot play defense, have a backup shooting guard who cannot play defense, etc etc

for me kyle would be a great backup. a great backup. or a great option with 2 centers who get equal minutes or something like that.

but as your only viable center? recipe for disaster...as we have seen
Might seem irrelevant, but Kyle’s home state team recruited him twice to play the same position in the Big 10, and they are 25-4. Obviously Hoiberg and crew are pretty dang good coaches.

Like I questioned others, Kyle is a recipe for disaster as the center, your words. Is he the primary reason Syracuse is 15-14? Put a stamp on it. Simple yes or no.

Also, the points in the paint and bigs dominating is a lazy take. Makes me question if you’ve watched most of the action.
 
To quote the old guy, not 10 games without him.
yeah and barely 10 games with him, though (and less if you take off the 6 cupcake wins theyve gotten this year)
Might seem irrelevant, but Kyle’s home state team recruited him twice to play the same position in the Big 10, and they are 25-4. Obviously Hoiberg and crew are pretty dang good coaches.

Like I questioned others, Kyle is a recipe for disaster as the center, your words. Is he the primary reason Syracuse is 15-14? Put a stamp on it. Simple yes or no.

Also, the points in the paint and bigs dominating is a lazy take. Makes me question if you’ve watched most of the action.
ok great. did they recruit him to be the undisputed starter and only viable center on their roster? obviously not, no 25-4 team would.

kyle could be a good piece on a top team

but maliq brown, for example, is better and he barely plays 20 minutes for duke

when kyle was on ucla, he was the 3rd center...seems about right to me...2nd or 3rd center on a good team


or undisputed #1 on a garbage team


i see what you would pick

PS

its ridiculous that you guys are in love with kyle after he had 3 pts 1 reb in 27 minutes in a narrow loss to wake

DO YOU guys even watch the games???!!??!
 
yeah and barely 10 games with him, though (and less if you take off the 6 cupcake wins theyve gotten this year)

ok great. did they recruit him to be the undisputed starter and only viable center on their roster? obviously not, no 25-4 team would.

kyle could be a good piece on a top team

but maliq brown, for example, is better and he barely plays 20 minutes for duke

when kyle was on ucla, he was the 3rd center...seems about right to me...2nd or 3rd center on a good team


or undisputed #1 on a garbage team


i see what you would pick

PS

its ridiculous that you guys are in love with kyle after he had 3 pts 1 reb in 27 minutes in a narrow loss to wake

DO YOU guys even watch the games???!!??!
Do you post on Twitter, is this you?
 

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Might seem irrelevant, but Kyle’s home state team recruited him twice to play the same position in the Big 10, and they are 25-4. Obviously Hoiberg and crew are pretty dang good coaches.

Like I questioned others, Kyle is a recipe for disaster as the center, your words. Is he the primary reason Syracuse is 15-14? Put a stamp on it. Simple yes or no.

Also, the points in the paint and bigs dominating is a lazy take. Makes me question if you’ve watched most of the action.
Absolutely not. Motor never stops. Is he limited in sop skill set at size? Yes. But he and Kingz are the only players showed up every night. 100% no head case jus t a kid %that wanted to play 100% every freaking night. Lay your blame some where else.
 
Do you post on Twitter, is this you?
no isnt me

someone stole my user name and started posting with it

but i do think theres some truth to what he says here - JB would def have this same roster in the tournament...no doubt in my mind
 
yeah and barely 10 games with him, though (and less if you take off the 6 cupcake wins theyve gotten this year)

ok great. did they recruit him to be the undisputed starter and only viable center on their roster? obviously not, no 25-4 team would.

kyle could be a good piece on a top team

but maliq brown, for example, is better and he barely plays 20 minutes for duke

when kyle was on ucla, he was the 3rd center...seems about right to me...2nd or 3rd center on a good team


or undisputed #1 on a garbage team


i see what you would pick

PS

its ridiculous that you guys are in love with kyle after he had 3 pts 1 reb in 27 minutes in a narrow loss to wake

DO YOU guys even watch the games???!!??!

yeah and barely 10 games with him, though (and less if you take off the 6 cupcake wins theyve gotten this year)

ok great. did they recruit him to be the undisputed starter and only viable center on their roster? obviously not, no 25-4 team would.

kyle could be a good piece on a top team

but maliq brown, for example, is better and he barely plays 20 minutes for duke

when kyle was on ucla, he was the 3rd center...seems about right to me...2nd or 3rd center on a good team


or undisputed #1 on a garbage team


i see what you would pick

PS

its ridiculous that you guys are in love with kyle after he had 3 pts 1 reb in 27 minutes in a narrow loss to wake

DO YOU guys even watch the games???!!??!
Not going to hate him after one game and hate on him to fail to try and prove a point, like yourself.

I can admit WF wasn’t great at all, but can he get a little bit of props for doing pretty decent vs Louisville?

Who was the most outstanding big on the court? My bias might say Kyle, but I think others would agree.

With UCLA, the coach had a 7’3” center who he hated to play, ran off, and dude starts for MI now and could be a first rounder. The big they got to replace Mara and Kyle doesn’t play now. Bad example.

For NU, if you look at Berke, and compare him to Kyle, circle back and let me know who you would prefer.

Kyle is not a program saver, but he’s not a liability either. All these guys are fairly decent. The system is the weakness IMO.
 

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