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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 64818, member: 668"] Yes, everything you mention is true, and what makes it so difficult for historian types to accept SU's current status when it comes to football. I am a huge Browns fan, so I, unfortunately, know all too well about the rich names of the past. Most of the names you mention about SU's rich tradition are completely from a far distant era. It's more than the past ten years or so. I remember graduating from LHS in '82 and when classmate, Timmy Green, was courted by all, Joe Pa pondered why would you want to go to SU, it's a basketball school. Even when we had that great run in '87 & ranked teams during the McNabb years, public perception still was SU being more pro basketball. And, if SU's past admin's truly viewed itself as a football first school, the facility descrepancies which exist today between the two sports would not exist, let alone be so much behind...it's painful & I feel it too... [/QUOTE]