We need to hire a math coach...

[LeMoyneCuse]

I get what you are saying, but even with a 5% chance...the smart play is to eliminate all risk. Every last risk. IMO, that's not being conservative, that's being smart.

But you can't eliminate all risk. Nassib could have fumbled the exchange, knelt too early, etc. It's physically impossible to create a condition that is fail proof.

 

[Orangeman]

I've posted about this in the past...it's amazing that anyone of the Tecmo Bowl generation, where you couldn't actually stop the opponent if they had Okeye or Bo Jackson, or you had LT...those people seem better prepared for clock management than 90% of paid coaches out there...you HAD to manage the clock or you'd have to chug a beer or whatever.

The by-the-book play for Marrone would have been to kneel with 41 seconds left...but winning erases all of that.

The coach went for it on 4th and 9 at the 35 or whatever, so playing aggressive, which is great

 

[brandokc]

I've posted about this in the past...it's amazing that anyone of the Tecmo Bowl generation, where you couldn't actually stop the opponent if they had Okeye or Bo Jackson, or you had LT...those people seem better prepared for clock management than 90% of paid coaches out there...you HAD to manage the clock or you'd have to chug a beer or whatever.

The by-the-book play for Marrone would have been to kneel with 41 seconds left...but winning erases all of that.

The coach went for it on 4th and 9 at the 35 or whatever, so playing aggressive, which is great

We also had Christian Okoye Jerome Bettis Ameen-Moore, which is nice.

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[44cuse]

But you can't eliminate all risk. Nassib could have fumbled the exchange, knelt too early, etc. It's physically impossible to create a condition that is fail proof.

OK, then you take the play that minimizes as much risk as possible. And that is taking a knee (which was obviously the point).

44cuse

 

[hburgcuse]

I, too, did not know that the play clock was 40 seconds because every time they show it on TV when I'm looking for it, it seems like it starts at 25. So I ignorantly had no problem with the call. Now that I know the time of the play clock is 40 seconds, I completely agree with the assessment that it was a poor decision to run the ball rather than kneeling. Removing any risk that you can control to secure the victory is important. But all is well that ends well - and this one ended very well!!

 

[TX Citrus]

For a team still learning how to win, I think it helps build confidence and the right attitude to shove the ball down their throat one last time and get the first down and end the game on your terms rather than take to knee and feel like you're sneaking out with a close win.

 

[TX Citrus]

Marrone may also have some inside info that Paul Cryst called up Greg Schiano to learn how to cause a fumble on a kneedown.

 

[SWC75]

...for Marrone. I am totally serious. The head coach has to think about a lot of shiiit out there. Someone should be responsible for saying "Doug, there are 41 seconds left, there is a 40 second clock in college football, have Ryan take a knee". I mean seriously...what if AAM coughed the ball up there? It happens.

I admit I couldn't but think of Roland Grimes.

 

[Jake]

I'm with the OP. increasing the risk of loss in any fashion is ed.

 

[Cadillac]

Yes, let's seriously argue about this

 

[dasher]

...for Marrone. I am totally serious. The head coach has to think about a lot of shiiit out there. Someone should be responsible for saying "Doug, there are 41 seconds left, there is a 40 second clock in college football, have Ryan take a knee". I mean seriously...what if AAM coughed the ball up there? It happens.

You are correct. and on the first drive of the game, we turned down a penalty that would have given us a 1st and 5 only to set up a 2ud and 3.

 

[Rocco]

Ok, so if SU doesn't get the 1st down, they would still have to punt with a second remaining, right? Then Pitt has a chance to return the punt for a TD.

I love Marrone's decision to run a conservative as hell play call with AAM up the 3 gap. ing put the game away completely with a 1st down. If AAM fumbles and Pitt scores a TD on the fumble or a subsequent play, then FML.

I do not understand the complaining about this. He was confident in a kid who hasn't quite found his groove. He knew he wouldn't fumble. I am convinced some on here would bitch about a 24 point win, too.

Love the trust and faith in the play call. Great W.

 

[JeremyCuse]

But you can't eliminate all risk. Nassib could have fumbled the exchange, knelt too early, etc. It's physically impossible to create a condition that is fail proof.

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Sorry Lemoyne I love ya buddy but your wrong on this. You have to take a knee there, you dont put anything to chance. Dont even get me started on how much time was left on the play clock when we were snapping the ball that last drive. This staff has zero time management skills.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ok, so if SU doesn't get the 1st down, they would still have to punt with a second remaining, right? Then Pitt has a chance to return the punt for a TD.

I love Marrone's decision to run a conservative as hell play call with AAM up the 3 gap. ******* put the game away completely with a 1st down. If AAM fumbles and Pitt scores a TD on the fumble or a subsequent play, then FML.

I do not understand the complaining about this. He was confident in a kid who hasn't quite found his groove. He knew he wouldn't fumble. I am convinced some on here would bitch about a 24 point win, too.

Love the trust and faith in the play call. Great W.

No punt, the game would have ended.

 

[rrlbees]

Sorry, but Boston is right. With 41 seconds you get in the victory formation and take a knee. You do not risk that 1% chance of a bad handoff or the 1% chance of a fumble.

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[690West]

Sorry, but Boston is right. With 41 seconds you get in the victory formation and take a knee. You do not risk that 1% chance of a bad handoff or the 1% chance of a fumble.

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Yup, I'm a little shocked people are hammering the OP with the old "we won, stop bitching" line. It was ludicrous to run a play. Like Jeremy said, this staff has no clue time management wise.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Hmm. I thought more people would back me up on this. Oh well.

And for the record, if AAM would have fumbled, I too would be saying "You gotta take the knee there."

 

[Orangemen]

The Arizona cardinals should have lost at NE because of a fumble when they were trying to kill the clock. It happens, no need to risk it.

Also, as mentioned already, it was really annoying watching nassib hike the ball with 8 seconds on the play clock every time.

Not a huge deal, because we won, but it was still not very smart.

 

[CIL]

I can see both sides of the argument here...you are also assuming that the long snap is executed perfectly, the punter doesn't drop the ball, and Pitt doesn't block it.

 

[TheOrangeBuddha]

Complain, complain, complain.

People want him to show balls--well, he went for the first at the end and picked it up. Can't have it both ways.

It's not about complaining. I'm ecstatic as is everyone else on this board. However, there are times to take chances (like 4th down from their 32 versus USC - BTW nice to see that he learned from that one last night!) and times to take the 100% guarantee of victory by lining up in VICTORY formation. Running either of the last two plays made little to no sense, especially the last play.

My question is once Pitt used their final timeout, why didn't they just allow SU to score? It was their only opportunity for victory (not a great one but still ... there would've been a minute plus on the clock for a drive and possible two-point conversion to tie). Of course, I'd like to think that our RB would've chosen not to score and gone down before scoring the touchdown ... who knows.

Let's get two in a row!!!

 

[Chip]

Sorry, but Boston is right. With 41 seconds you get in the victory formation and take a knee. You do not risk that 1% chance of a bad handoff or the 1% chance of a fumble.

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Since it's a 40 second play clock then it makes no sense to give it to the RB. Nassib snaps and immediately goes to his knee then at least 1 second runs off the clock. Even if Chryst pulls a Schiano. Scary.


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[Capt. Tuttle]

...for Marrone. I am totally serious. The head coach has to think about a lot of shiiit out there. Someone should be responsible for saying "Doug, there are 41 seconds left, there is a 40 second clock in college football, have Ryan take a knee". I mean seriously...what if AAM coughed the ball up there? It happens.

snap it and throw it as far down field and OB as he can.

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[orangenirvana]

I think a much better example was Marrone declining the offsides penalty on the first play of the game. Declining it made it 2nd and 3. Apparently he thinks the team averages less than 2 yards per play.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I can see both sides of the argument here...you are also assuming that the long snap is executed perfectly, the punter doesn't drop the ball, and Pitt doesn't block it.

Thing is there was never going to be a punt. Thre was 41 seconds left, Nassib takes the snap takes two-three steps back and takes a knee the game is over as the clock will run out.

 

[Chip]

Thing is there was never going to be a punt. Thre was 41 seconds left, Nassib takes the snap takes two-three steps back and takes a knee the game is over as the clock will run out.

Yeah. If there was still 41 seconds on the game clock when they started the 40 second 4th down play clock, then the clock operator would be under investigation today.

On the hindsight bright side, since it worked, I'm sure that was a nice confidence boost for the offense, and it probably needed it.


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