We Need to Pick a Lane

[RoofBeam]

Alternatively, couldn't you just design an offense around the qb's skills....assuming they have skills?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So from what I see is Nixon's offense is still working (I haven't watched ALL-22 of UNC yet). When Collins was playing, we had wide-open WRs all over the field. Collins is just not an accurate QB and can't read a defense. No amount of coaching is going to fix that. That tells me the offense is working fine but the QB is the problem.

My questions then are:

-Who is training these QBs?
-Who is evaluating these QBs?
-Who is recruiting these QBs?
-Who is deciding which QB to play?

To run Nixon offense you need someone who can process fast and is accurate. Bonus stuff is athletic ability and arm strength. When picking a QB need to focus on the stuff we need to process fast and accurate and less about the "arm talent".

Fran has to give him control of the offense because my guess is Fran has no clue about the offensive side of the ball at least on the Xs and Os side of things.

And, I don't know, maybe the kid from Texas that probably grew up with a football in his crib that threw the ball all over the place over 4 years of high school and whatever camps and 7 on 7 tournaments or whatever they do in the Lonestar state that was described as the smart one MIGHT have a chance at being able to process and read. Even if he's got Rick Allen's arm strength (no, not that arm, his other arm. Yeah, you're thinking of the one I meant now) maybe he's got a better than 22% chance of hitting some of those open receivers.

 

[HyattsCuse]

That’s fair. I thought about not including him because he’s terrible at both styles of QBing. But I was being generous.

Crazy thing is Chambliss was their backup! He probably never sees the field if Austin Simmons doesn’t get hurt.

To your point in the OP, Ole Miss picked a lane and found a guy who was willing to be a backup, but could come in and run the same offense as the starter because of the same style of play. He has a lot of flaws, but Ole Miss is still winning.

 

[phil77]

Alternatively, couldn't you just design an offense around the qb's skills...assuming they have skills?

No you can't switch your offense every year or for every single QB. What is you switch for a QB now your RB or WR don't fit with that system do you switch it again? Kids, especially at this age can't learn a brand new offense every time there is a new QB. You run your system and recruit for your system.

Now that doesn't mean you can't adjust your system to fit the QB, like maybe calling more runs, more play actions, or more roll outs etc. but you don't wholesale your system, you get players to fit the system.

 

[phil77]

And, I don't know, maybe the kid from Texas that probably grew up with a football in his crib that threw the ball all over the place over 4 years of high school and whatever camps and 7 on 7 tournaments or whatever they do in the Lonestar state that was described as the smart one MIGHT have a chance at being able to process and read. Even if he's got Rick Allen's arm strength (no, not that arm, his other arm. Yeah, you're thinking of the one I meant now) maybe he's got a better than 22% chance of hitting some of those open receivers.

Correct due to his experience he is who I would have turned to first after Collins.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I think Fran should bring in Addizzio if he would come. Oline coach and assistant head coach. Bring in P as a consultant. Would give Fran a sounding board and improve areas of need.

An experienced coach on offense would potentially work wonders. Our defense is certainly much better off since adding one.

 

[Cusefan0307]

When things go wrong this entire board always wants to revert to meathead ball.

 

[wfschrec]

Crazy thing is Chambliss was their backup! He probably never sees the field if Austin Simmons doesn’t get hurt.

To your point in the OP, Ole Miss picked a lane and found a guy who was willing to be a backup, but could come in and run the same offense as the starter because of the same style of play. He has a lot of flaws, but Ole Miss is still winning.

They found Chambliss at Ferris State so I’ll wager the raise in NIL made it more than worth his while. We need to take a similar approach.

 

[Bayside44]

Tried doing a little look on Carney.

This is his HS team:

Stifling Defense leads Dallas Christian to TAPPS State Title

Dallas Christian certainly proved the saying defense wins championships. In the TAPPS 11-man Division III State Title Game, the Chargers became the first team since 2017 to shut out their opponent in a TAPPS 11-man state title game as they knocked off Cypress Christian 24-0. At the beginning of...

texashsfootball.com

Looks like a typical small private school team, roster is small on numbers, those kids don't look D1 ready, and they beat everyone they played. To not be ready to go from that to the ACC isn't a sin on anyone.

 

[Millhouse]

So from what I see is Nixon's offense is still working (I haven't watched ALL-22 of UNC yet). When Collins was playing, we had wide-open WRs all over the field. Collins is just not an accurate QB and can't read a defense. No amount of coaching is going to fix that. That tells me the offense is working fine but the QB is the problem.

My questions then are:

-Who is training these QBs?
-Who is evaluating these QBs?
-Who is recruiting these QBs?
-Who is deciding which QB to play?

To run Nixon offense you need someone who can process fast and is accurate. Bonus stuff is athletic ability and arm strength. When picking a QB need to focus on the stuff we need to process fast and accurate and less about the "arm talent".

Fran has to give him control of the offense because my guess is Fran has no clue about the offensive side of the ball at least on the Xs and Os side of things.

No offense works with this QB play.

I worry about post Nixon

 

[capeorange]

Tried doing a little look on Collins.

This is his HS team:

Stifling Defense leads Dallas Christian to TAPPS State Title

Dallas Christian certainly proved the saying defense wins championships. In the TAPPS 11-man Division III State Title Game, the Chargers became the first team since 2017 to shut out their opponent in a TAPPS 11-man state title game as they knocked off Cypress Christian 24-0. At the beginning of...

texashsfootball.com

Looks like a typical small private school team, roster is small on numbers, those kids don't look D1 ready, and they beat everyone they played. To not be ready to go from that to the ACC isn't a sin on anyone.

I think you mean Carney's team.

43.5 points per game is pretty nice.

 

[dollarbill44]

Pick the angeli lane and if you get someone who can scramble, it's a bonus

Relying on Angeli for next year is a shaky plan. He's still in a boot. Partial recovery within a year isn't even a given. Plenty of athletes have setbacks during recovery once the boot comes off and they start rehabbing in PT.
We need a solid plan B.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Relying on Angeli for next year is a shaky plan. He's still in a boot. Partial recovery within a year isn't even a given. Plenty of athletes have setbacks during recovery once the boot comes off and they start rehabbing in PT.
We need a solid plan B.

Lol, no it's not. JK Dobbins and Cam Akers came back in under a year and 5 months as running backs. Talk to us in May.

 

[dollarbill44]

I'm not sure why anyone would get sick with such a comment? I mean, with all due respect, it's kinda 'Captain Obvious' type. Just look at the NFL, show me a team that has a franchise type QB, and that team is one that is very good, makes the playoffs consistently and plays for championships. Just look at what Josh Allen has done for the Bills! Take him away, and the Bills in all probably not only don't make the playoffs, they likely annual draft in the top half of the NFL draft until so.

As a lifelong Browns fan, just look at how brutal it has been for them and their fans trying to find that franchise QB to give them a shot. They have (by far) the most different starting QB's since '99 (when they came back as an expansion team) and still searching.

Edit: I was, and still am, a Baker Mayfield fan. I hated the trade for Watson when it happened, primarily due to it fracturing the Cleveland fan base, and, secondly, for all of the number one draft choices they gave up.

Throw in how much cap space they blew on him and you have the reasons why they still suck. They cant afford good OL/WR free agents.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

When things go wrong this entire board always wants to revert to meathead ball.

PUT IN A DAMN FULLBACK

 

[GoSU96]

I watched some of the Ole Miss game last night. My son is visiting friends there this weekend and went to the game, so I figured I'd tune in for a bit.

They have Trinidad Campbell playing QB. He was at D2 Ferris State last year. He plays a bit frantic, and he's not an accurate passer at all, but the guy is electric. Can do damage with his legs and his arm. Ultimately, he's the definition of a "dynamic" QB.

We've had this kind of QB before. Dungey was the premium model. Schraeder was the poor man's version. Hell, back during my days on the Hill, Kevin Mason fit this mold as well.

And of course we've had the more traditional QB type. The drop back passer who can fit the ball in tight spaces. Kyle McCord was the premium model. Angeli seemed to be that too (although he's more mobile). Ryan Nassib was another one.

A major problem with our offense right now is that we clearly have a difference of opinion between our HC and OC (and perhaps the QB coach as well) as to what path we should be pursuing. Do we want the traditional types and run a pro style passing attack? Or do we want the dynamic playmaker? Angeli is the former, Collins is the latter (had he been good). Seems like Carney is the latter as well (I assume this since they don't let him pass).

We need to pick a lane. If Nixon remains as OC (which I doubt), or if he's replaced with someone who has a similar philosophy, then we need to have a QB room full of (potentially) strong passers. If we get someone new, someone who shares what Fran's QB philosophy seems to be, then we need a QB room full of (potentially) dynamic playmakers. Most important, the offense needs to be built to maximize the attributes of the room. This season is a master class in how to royally screw that up, and the whole offensive staff should be ashamed at what they've let happen.

I'm going to say it until everyone gets incredibly sick of me: the QB position is EVERYTHING in modern football. Every-thing. This program will fail miserably if we can't attract QBs who can produce at a high level. The notion that we can win games with "tough D" and a "strong run game" is preposterous. No one wins that way in football. You need a QB who is a difference maker and can make hugely positive plays, multiple times a game.

Fran's gotta pick a lane and get to work.

I think what we learned is that there are a lot of misses in SEC qb ratings.

Nixon is a keeper. He made his system work with two guys. Just because Collins and two true freshman aren’t plug and play carrying the load since Clemson doesn’t change that.

 

[Archbold44]

I think what we learned is that there are a lot of misses in SEC qb ratings.

Nixon is a keeper. He made his system work with two guys. Just because Collins and two true freshman aren’t plug and play carrying the load since Clemson doesn’t change that.

Actually, kind of the opposite. He does not change the system to reflect the personnel. THAT is the job of an offensive coordinator. There will be injuries to players all year, every year.

 

[GoSU96]

Actually, kind of the opposite. He does not change the system to reflect the personnel. THAT is the job of an offensive coordinator. There will be injuries to players all year, every year.

They have obviously made adjustments. The issues aren’t scheme, it’s personnel, the game ready OL they have are not a run first group. They are a bunch of pass blockers.

What are you suggesting, they go under center and run power I? Option? Which Qb is equipped for that?

 

[Bayside44]

I think you mean Carney's team.

43.5 points per game is pretty nice.

Thanks, fixed.

 

[Archbold44]

They have obviously made adjustments. The issues aren’t scheme, it’s personnel, the game ready OL they have are not a run first group. They are a bunch of pass blockers.

What are you suggesting, they go under center and run power I? Option? Which Qb is equipped for that?

What adjustments?? Have you seen a WR run yet just to keep the defense honest? We know it is in the playbook. Have you seen any screens, bubble screens, or short quick hitter passes like Ga Tech used against us? We keep running Willis into the meat of our inferior OL. We do not try trick plays--except the same flea flicker 2 times in 5 games. Without the flea flicker, we would have have passed for more than 14 yards against UNC. Just hear yourself... we had 14 yards passing on non-trick plays during a whole game.

Meanwhile, Carney is 2 for3 for 10 yards... and is not allowed to pass the ball...

 

[Orangefizz]

They found Chambliss at Ferris State so I’ll wager the raise in NIL made it more than worth his while. We need to take a similar approach.

My brother lives in Big Rapids and goes to Ferris football games; they are a D2 powerhouse. They have a quarterback who replaced Chambliss who looks great. I think we should take a look at him

https://fb.watch/D8BJHS_MNf/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

 

[dollarbill44]

My brother lives in Big Rapids and goes to Ferris football games; they are a D2 powerhouse. They have a quarterback who replaced Chambliss who looks great. I think we should take a look at him

https://fb.watch/D8BJHS_MNf/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

Too much experience.
My cousin has a kid in his neighborhood who can throw a Nerf Vortex 75+ yards. He's never played organized football, but that means he's never failed, which i see as a positive.

 

[Archbold44]

My brother lives in Big Rapids and goes to Ferris football games; they are a D2 powerhouse. They have a quarterback who replaced Chambliss who looks great. I think we should take a look at him

https://fb.watch/D8BJHS_MNf/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

I bet all eyes are on Ferris State for the next few years.

 

[WoadBlue]

I'm not saying we don't need a better D. Our D is an embarrassment. But the idea that a program can largely ride a D to great seasons just isn't possible anymore.

Depends on how weak the offense is. If you have a top RB and good OL, but no passing game, you still can win big if your D is very good. A D still can carry a team up into the charts, but not if the offense is totally incompetent.

 

[Scooch]

I think what we learned is that there are a lot of misses in SEC qb ratings.

Nixon is a keeper. He made his system work with two guys. Just because Collins and two true freshman aren’t plug and play carrying the load since Clemson doesn’t change that.

I’m working under the assumption that Nixon is gone after this season. So I’m spitballing about the path we want to pursue when we hire our next OC.