We talkin' practice

[wfschrec]

And I am making the point its not cyclical and we can't return to where we were in the 90's without spending big big BIG money!

You just think SU can keep doing what they are doing and boom, one day its 1990 all over again and SU will be a Top 10 team. not gonna happen

Read above I literally said the school needs to make the commitment to football ... they don't need to spend like OSU but need to make a more serious attempt to build the program. The IPF was just the start ... good grief read the whole thread.

 

[Stern]

Read above I literally said the school needs to make the commitment to football ... they don't need to spend like OSU but need to make a more serious attempt to build the program. The IPF was just the start ... good grief read the whole thread.

I did read it and your stance makes little sense. If its cyclical to get back to the 1990's level as you think they can get back to, well then they will need to spend like OSU to back to that level. So, just sayin

 

[wfschrec]

I did read it and your stance makes little sense. If its cyclical to get back to the 1990's level as you think they can get back to, well then they will need to spend like OSU to back to that level. So, just sayin

No they don't ... a 9 or 10 win season can be done with a GT budget ... they have done it and so can we ... not really that hard to understand is it? I never said national title ...

 

[anomander]

Duke Football should give all of us hope.

 

[SWC75]

Being relegated to some new lower football division might be the best and most practical thing for the university, but it will end my interest in the football program.

Why? We wouldn't be demoted. The schools obviously on another level would have another level to play on.

If we have to be the equivalent of OSU for you to be interested, why are you interested now?

 

[wfschrec]

Duke Football should give all of us hope.

Whoa we need to stop thinking logically about all this ... Stern says you need to spend all of Fort Knox ...

 

[CanadianSU]

Ah some people comparing Syracuse to Ohio State,

Relax... Just support the Orange.

 

[wfschrec]

Do we even need to mention Stanford?

 

[Stern]

Whoa we need to stop thinking logically about all this ... Stern says you need to spend all of Fort Knox ...

What the heck has Duke won in recent years? They haven't won a Bowl Game since 1961. And went 17 years without going to a Bowl game till just recently and that year they were 6-6. Yes you can get lucky and have a couple good years. Saying things are "cyclical" and now Duke is a consistent power and gives Syracuse "hope" is foolish and silly. If the hope is to just get to a Bowl game every few years like Duke...we are sorta already there on there level.

 

[Stern]

Why? We wouldn't be demoted. The schools obviously on another level would have another level to play on.

If we have to be the equivalent of OSU for you to be interested, why are you interested now?

Great point made!

 

[Chip]

I don't think we need to drop down a level because 100,000 people in Ohio need a hobby.

Scholarship limits, talent evaluation and talent development can keep us competitive. Not consistently at their level, but enough to be better team than we have been.

 

[longtimefan]

Do we even need to mention Stanford?

There is no way we compare to Stanford. Stanford has huge endowment money, on a level with the Ivies. Our endowment is slightly more than half of BC's

For example, Stanford does not have a head basketball coach.Johnny Dawkins is the "Anne and Tony Joseph Director of Men's Basketball". His position is privately endowed. Do you have any idea how much it costs to endow a position that probably pays close to $2M?

We can compete with our peer schools--most of the ACC, except FSU (I think we will be able to beat Clemson from time to time). If Miami gets back on track--and a lot depends on the priorities of their new president--we will have trouble staying with them.

But we cannot compete with most of the SEC, nor with Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and Michigan. That's a whole different world.

 

[wfschrec]

What the heck has Duke won in recent years? They haven't won a Bowl Game since 1961. And went 17 years without going to a Bowl game till just recently and that year they were 6-6. Yes you can get lucky and have a couple good years. Saying things are "cyclical" and now Duke is a consistent power and gives Syracuse "hope" is foolish and silly. If the hope is to just get to a Bowl game every few years like Duke...we are sorta already there on there level.

Good God man ... I know comprehension isn't your strong suit based on history but the point is you can put together a competitive team with a commitment from the University that doesn't require an OSU budget. Is this whole thing really that hard to understand? I am honestly asking because you have a history of just not following anything and ranting for the sake of ranting. They hired Cutcliffe and have invested in the program that is the point ... and they didn't spend OSU money to do so ... and news flash jack if SU had won 9 and 10 games in the previous two season including a trip to an ACC championship game and a thrilling bowl game against A&M we would be thrilled ... sounds like SU in the 90s doesn't it ... but preposterous you can't get there without spending OSU money. I know you have a hard time with these things but please try to keep up.

 

[wfschrec]

There is no way we compare to Stanford. Stanford has huge endowment money, on a level with the Ivies. Our endowment is slightly more than half of BC's

For example, Stanford does not have a head basketball coach.Johnny Dawkins is the "Anne and Tony Joseph Director of Men's Basketball". His position is privately endowed. Do you have any idea how much it costs to endow a position that probably pays close to $2M?

We can compete with our peer schools--most of the ACC, except FSU (I think we will be able to beat Clemson from time to time). If Miami gets back on track--and a lot depends on the priorities of their new president--we will have trouble staying with them.

But we cannot compete with most of the SEC, nor with Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and Michigan. That's a whole different world.

OK so we will be able to compete with a team like Clemson who just dismantled OU in a bowl game (and we played them much tougher in Death Valley) but won't be able to ever compete on the field with OU ... OK got it ... let me know when you get back to earth. As for the endowment that is a fair point however endowments aren't the only way to get there .. just look at how Saban's house was paid for by Bama boosters. Do we have them? No, but there are other ways to get there that is my point. In the end if people want to just play the we will always be mediocre and we can't compete then accept defeat and go cheer for a blue blood because what is the point of even having these discussions.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Why? We wouldn't be demoted. The schools obviously on another level would have another level to play on. If we have to be the equivalent of OSU for you to be interested, why are you interested now?

My dream, however unrealistic it is, is that someday they can beat the big dogs. If it doesn't happen, that is just life. I can take a passing interest in minor league sports and lower division football, but I won't be reading message boards about it or be a season ticket holder.

 

[Stern]

Good God man ... I know comprehension isn't your strong suit based on history but the point is you can put together a competitive team with a commitment from the University that doesn't require an OSU budget. Is this whole thing really that hard to understand? I am honestly asking because you have a history of just not following anything and ranting for the sake of ranting. They hired Cutcliffe and have invested in the program that is the point ... and they didn't spend OSU money to do so ... and news flash jack if SU had won 9 and 10 games in the previous two season including a trip to an ACC championship game and a thrilling bowl game against A&M we would be thrilled ... sounds like SU in the 90s doesn't it ... but preposterous you can't get there without spending OSU money. I know you have a hard time with these things but please try to keep up.

I'm keeping up you just have a silly point as many others have pointed out

 

[wfschrec]

I'm keeping up you just have a silly point as many others have pointed out

LOL ... I wasn't the one who brought up Duke he happens to agree with me ... and I countered all that other ridiculous nonsense that was thrown out ... and of course I get your typical response which as always says nothing to counter any of the points made so you show your true colors and demonstrate that you just like picking an argument. You offer no counterpoint whatsoever so once again as always I am at a loss as to what your purpose is other than to just be a thorn in someones side.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

I can't be certain what SWC's motivation was for posting this for the board to contemplate, but it has generated discussion about the level of commitment from SU administrators on how important sports is to Syracuse University. As an alum, I will say that the success of SU sports is a source of pride, but it is the education and what I have been able to do with it that defines my memory of SU. Don't get me wrong, I BLEED orange and follow SU Sports more than I do its alum, but each institution has priorities and it seems clear that SU's priorities are not solely focused on sports, not only due to insufficient funds to compete with the best of the bunch, but also because, perhaps, SU's goals are not tied into marketing the brand through only sports.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for SU to own multiple NC's in every sport, but for a smaller private university, I think we have done well (not only in sports). I'll root for SU sports no matter what, but let's not pretend that we are anything like the power house programs that invest incredible amounts of money into their athletics programs.

Just my opinion.

 

[wfschrec]

I can't be certain what SWC's motivation was for posting this for the board to contemplate, but it has generated discussion about the level of commitment from SU administrators on how important sports is to Syracuse University. As an alum, I will say that the success of SU sports is a source of pride, but it is the education and what I have been able to do with it that defines my memory of SU. Don't get me wrong, I BLEED orange and follow SU Sports more than I do its alum, but each institution has priorities and it seems clear that SU's priorities are not solely focused on sports, not only due to insufficient funds to compete with the best of the bunch, but also because, perhaps, SU's goals are not tied into marketing the brand through only sports.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for SU to own multiple NC's in every sport, but for a smaller private university, I think we have done well (not only in sports). I'll root for SU sports no matter what, but let's not pretend that we are anything like the power house programs that invest incredible amounts of money into their athletics programs.

Just my opinion.

Education is very important ... I will say that the school is not ranked nearly as high as it was when I attended there it has backslid a bit ... my memories of SU are mixed with educational and athletic experiences. SU has much to offer and much to market and IMHO they don't do a very good job at it.

 

[Stern]

Don't get me wrong, I would love for SU to own multiple NC's in every sport, but for a smaller private university, I think we have done well (not only in sports). I'll root for SU sports no matter what, but let's not pretend that we are anything like the power house programs that invest incredible amounts of money into their athletics programs.

Just my opinion.

Exactly! 100% spot on

 

[wfschrec]

I can't be certain what SWC's motivation was for posting this for the board to contemplate, but it has generated discussion about the level of commitment from SU administrators on how important sports is to Syracuse University. As an alum, I will say that the success of SU sports is a source of pride, but it is the education and what I have been able to do with it that defines my memory of SU. Don't get me wrong, I BLEED orange and follow SU Sports more than I do its alum, but each institution has priorities and it seems clear that SU's priorities are not solely focused on sports, not only due to insufficient funds to compete with the best of the bunch, but also because, perhaps, SU's goals are not tied into marketing the brand through only sports.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for SU to own multiple NC's in every sport, but for a smaller private university, I think we have done well (not only in sports). I'll root for SU sports no matter what, but let's not pretend that we are anything like the power house programs that invest incredible amounts of money into their athletics programs.

Just my opinion.

Ok so building an IPF on par with most of our peers we haven't invested like other programs? We have literally had athletes and parents of said athletes say we are on par with most with the exception of one or two ... so I'm at a loss for words ... we can compete with most programs and should be able to ... 9 or 10 wins is not impossible and no one here is saying win an NC ... but there is no reason based on what resources we currently now have that we can't be a very competitive program. Again we played Clemson very tough in Death Valley, the same Clemson team that dismantled OU ... for people to just throw their hands in the air and say "Oh well I won't expect much" just astonishes me.

 

[bcubs9497]

Some people just like to be butt-hurt...

 

[TheCusian]

Ok so building an IPF on par with most of our peers we haven't invested like other programs? We have literally had athletes and parents of said athletes say we are on par with most with the exception of one or two ... so I'm at a loss for words ... we can compete with most programs and should be able to ... 9 or 10 wins is not impossible and no one here is saying win an NC ... but there is no reason based on what resources we currently now have that we can't be a very competitive program. Again we played Clemson very tough in Death Valley, the same Clemson team that dismantled OU ... for people to just throw their hands in the air and say "Oh well I won't expect much" just astonishes me.

You're fighting a battle you can't win. Some here just can't see it... Despite it happening here already, twice (Nat Champs, Auburn tie). 90,000 for a spring game? Nice. Not irrelevant - and we have an upward climb. But it'd not impossible.

 

[wfschrec]

Some people just like to be butt-hurt...

Amen!

 

[wfschrec]

You're fighting a battle you can't win. Some here just can't see it... Despite it happening here already, twice (Nat Champs, Auburn tie). 90,000 for a spring game? Nice. Not irrelevant - and we have an upward climb. But it'd not impossible.

Honestly if I started hand wringing over an NC then I could see it being unrealistic ... each season you have schools that will win 9 or 10 games that are really on par with SU. Does SU have some disadvantages? Yes but it isn't an impossible task to have our 90s level of success at times. In those seasons we will play blue bloods that we will beat .. We beat LVille who went on to whack UF in a BCS Bowl ... my Clemson example above is relevant ... with a transcendent talent like McNabb and a schedule that lines up some big names we could have a 1998 type of season in a year or two ... hell Washington could be that domino that starts us on that upward trend. Is it a guarantee to happen? Of course not but why people are so dismissive is beyond me.