Weekly Luncheon with HC Doug Marrone

[kingottoiii]

Suppose the coached their exactly how you want them to, and were 1-5, would you be chill with that?

Suppose they coached that way and were 6-0 and won each game by 21? Would you be chill with that? These games have been close because our O has stunk. When your O is this bad, you cannot do much worse. So chances are we would be BETTER off after these past 6 games as well as going forward. BTW we WON the Wake game because we spread it out.

 

[NKR1978]

Suppose they coached that way and were 6-0 and won each game by 21? Would you be chill with that? These games have been close because our O has stunk. When your O is this bad, you cannot do much worse. So chances are we would be BETTER off after these past 6 games as well as going forward. BTW we WON the Wake game because we spread it out.

I have no way of knowing that we would be 6-0. We should be 5-1 but Rutgers defense has proven to be above average and they played a good a game,so there is absolutely no way to assume we would have won. I do know we are 4-2 with 2 good wins.

It seems that if we only had 1 or 2 wins playing the way you want them to play that you'd still find something to complain about.

 

[Chip]

That's not what he said. Marrone said that we have another QB on the roster that can step in when Ryan Nassib graduates, but that the QB would run a different system. Basically, he was saying that Ryan Nassib is our QB and he is more suited to the Pro Style offense, not the spread offense. If you look at the QBs that Marrone has recruited in the past 2 classes, I think between Kinder, Hunt, Miller, and Broyld it looks like we'll be transitioning to a spread style offense once Nassib (and Loeb) is gone.

If that's the case, then apparently Marrone is using the first couple of years to build the program back up and win as many games as possible in a more conservative fashion... and will then make adjustments to the offense going forward from there. It seems a bit of a round about way of doing things, but I guess he's just trying to use the pieces and talent he has to the maximum benefit instead of trying to force round pegs into square holes (pro style QB into spread offense).

If it's spread option, that makes the recruitment of AAM look a little peculiar. He's not a spread option type back (speed speed speed). Pro style, grind it out type back.

My sense is that we're recruit the best players we can and have nearly every system available in our offense. Maybe that will change with recruiting advantages that the ACC membership could bring.

 

[Jersey Orange]

If it's spread option, that makes the recruitment of AAM look a little peculiar. He's not a spread option type back (speed speed speed). Pro style, grind it out type back.

My sense is that we're recruit the best players we can and have nearly every system available in our offense. Maybe that will change with recruiting advantages that the ACC membership could bring.

Believe it or not the staff did recruit AAM with the spread in mind. Their though process is that most teams defend the spread with a mix of nickel, dime and 3-3-5 packages and have a lot 185 pound defensive backs and undersized 215 linebackers on the field. They feel it will be a huge advantage to have a 235 pound north-south back like AAM gashing defenses through the tackles.

 

[Millhouse]

Believe it or not the staff did recruit AAM with the spread in mind. Their though process is that most teams defend the spread with a mix of nickel, dime and 3-3-5 packages and have a lot 185 pound defensive backs and undersized 215 linebackers on the field. They feel it will be a huge advantage to have a 235 pound north-south back like AAM gashing defenses through the tackles.

hawaii did that with some 5'3" 400 lb samoan tailback (iloia?) but who knows if that was by design or necessity. so there's a little precedent.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

suloyalfan

Do you even know what a Spread O is? because if you did you would realize that schools like Hawaii and Texas Tech had QBs who were not duel threats and could not run the ball. Every QB is suited for the Spread. The guys behind Nassib are duel threats who can be used with the Spread Option. My point is use the Spread passing and running plays minus the option if that is our future system. There is zero point not to. This is silly.

What he is doing NOW is square peg round hole. Bailey would be better off in a Spread. So why use him in a Pro Style? We have an OL who cannot move a 1AA DL off the ball. So why use a smash mouth style?

Yes, the spread is the single greatest offensive system of all time.

 

[tep624]

Believe it or not the staff did recruit AAM with the spread in mind. Their though process is that most teams defend the spread with a mix of nickel, dime and 3-3-5 packages and have a lot 185 pound defensive backs and undersized 215 linebackers on the field. They feel it will be a huge advantage to have a 235 pound north-south back like AAM gashing defenses through the tackles.

It's pretty clear that they want a well rounded offensive scheme that is capable of exploiting mismatches and weaknesses, but you have to have the horses to do that. It's probably still a little vanilla because they still don't have all of the offensive options they'd like and are working with a system that best utilized the skill sets they currently have.

I fully expect our offense to be significantly different in a few years. I expect it to be much more "multiple"

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, the spread is the single greatest offensive system of all time.

more lies. he didn't say that. but since you brought it up, what do you think is the best system now?

 

[suloyalfan]

suloyalfan

Do you even know what a Spread O is? because if you did you would realize that schools like Hawaii and Texas Tech had QBs who were not duel threats and could not run the ball. Every QB is suited for the Spread. The guys behind Nassib are duel threats who can be used with the Spread Option. My point is use the Spread passing and running plays minus the option if that is our future system. There is zero point not to. This is silly.

What he is doing NOW is square peg round hole. Bailey would be better off in a Spread. So why use him in a Pro Style? We have an OL who cannot move a 1AA DL off the ball. So why use a smash mouth style?

Yes, the spread offense puts skill players out in space (3, 4 & 5 WR sets), lots of empty sets, most plays run from shotgun, some single back sets with the RB lined up next to the QB, and requires a QB that is a THREAT to run, and is comfortable running with the ball. Nassib can run on a limited basis, but clearly he is no Pat White or Cam Newton. Obviously the coaches feel that he is better suited to being a pocket passer (right or wrong).

Since the spread offense is a RUN first offense, success is dependant upon spreading the defense out, creating seams to run through, having an athletic line to effectively execute traps, pulling plays, and screens, and using misdirection and quick decisions (option) to work effectively. Again, this is why the key player in the offense is the QB... if he isn't a threat to run the ball, it doesn't work well.

Secondly, you need at least 1 or 2 WRs that are threats after the catch or teams won't respect the threat of the pass to the edges. Do we have any of those? When I look at successful spread offenses, I see dynamic WRs like Tavon Austin (WVU), Michael Crabtree (Texas Tech), Jeremy Maclin (Missouri), and Justin Blackmon (OKST).

For what it's worth, Hawaii runs the pass heavy "Run & Shoot" style offense... not the "spread" offense although people commonly use those terms interchangably and loosly, they are not the same ("Run & Shoot" is a misnomer, as it's mostly SHOOT). Hawaii has 435 yards rushing (121 carries) and 1717 yard passing (234 attempts) so far this season through 5 games (Houston, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State have similar numbers and splits). That's hardly a "run first" offense. Oregon, by comparison has 1563 yards rushing (212 carries) and 1135 yards passing (146 attempts). See the difference? Oregon runs a true "spread" offense.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

more lies. he didn't say that. but since you brought it up, what do you think is the best system now?

I know I was being sarcastic.

But to answer your question I think it depends on the talent you have. Every system is designed to work. Every system has positives. I like a pro-style type of offense, like a west coast type of offense. But that doesn't mean it's the best.

 

[kingottoiii]

and requires a QB that is a THREAT to run,

Since the spread offense is a RUN first offense, success is dependant upon spreading the defense out, creating seams to run through, having an athletic line to effectively execute traps, pulling plays, and screens, and using misdirection and quick decisions (option) to work effectively. Again, this is why the key player in the offense is the QB... if he isn't a threat to run the ball, it doesn't work well.

The Spread evolved from the Run and Shoot. As Texas Tech and Hawaii have shown you do not NEED a running QB. What about Oklahoma? When was the last time the had a QB running around? Heck Wake ran a Spread for awhile and never had a mobile QB. It got them to a BCS Bowl. Riley Skinner never ran the ball. BTW when Urban Meyer got to Florida he ran his Spread O. Leak had a whole 30 yards rushing on the championship year. Yes they had Tebow but he played about 7 snaps a game on the year and only came in to run. Couldn't we do the same with Kinder or Hunt? In addition Chip Kelly's O was a passing O while he was at New Hampshire. He was pretty darn successful then, was he not? You mention Cam Newton. Do you realize his OC while at Tulsa had the #3 pass O with a QB that ran for 119 yards on the year? So was Malzahn not a Spread OC until he got Newton? Geno Smith has 10 rushes in 6 games this year. So is WV not running a Spread?

As to our team he have an athletic line that is much more suited for blocking for a Spread rather than power blocking. Instead of having 2 WR sets and having to beat double coverage wouldn't it be better to have 3-4 WRs where we have a mismatch on an LB? We lack talent on O and are trying to run an O that requires talent. It makes no sense.

 

[CIL]

more lies. he didn't say that. but since you brought it up, what do you think is the best system now?

Anything that works. I'll take Ga Tech's or Navy's triple option flexbone at this point.

 

[kingottoiii]

Anything that works. I'll take Ga Tech's or Navy's triple option flexbone at this point.

Heck I prefer the old SU O's. That would be my favorite choice. Give me Kevin Rogers' O any day. Our current O does not work in CFB IMO. On top of that we do not have the personnel to run it. My main issue is, if our future O is not what we are running then why the hell are we not running our future O, whatever it is? There is no way we would be worse. I don't care if it is a Run and Shoot, Spread Option, Pro Option, Triple Option, or Wishbone. Even if our future O requires a running QB, you have to adjust and make it work. See Todd Philcox. How are the young players going to get better learning an O that they will not use when they are upper classmen?