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We're #2, In Fewest Bench Minutes Played

UCLA had an incredibly short bench in the 60's. In the championship game in 1975, four of the starters played 40 minutes. Only 6 Bruins played in the game. So, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
 
SoBeCuse said:
Where is Duke? Unfortunate but we have no other options. Anytime Kaleb is on the floor is a liability. It's fact by now. I'm torn on giving Chino a few minutes here/there.
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Duke has the 6th fewest. Only Syracuse, Hofstra and La Salle are under 20 minutes per game. Syracuse has averaged 16.2 bench minutes per game.
 
jdubs30 said:
That can't be right? Lydon himself has to be averaging more than 16 minutes per game I assume..
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Nevermind -- I'm assuming they're taking the 1-5 players with the most minutes out of it, which Lydon would be in the group. SO our "bench" would be Frank and DC
 
People can defend Boeheim all they want about this,but this is just a reflection of how badly our recruiting analysis has become and the fact he never uses all the scholarships available at all times. Maybe Boeheim is just done with the dealing of egos a lot of the top recruits put out for display.
 
retro44 said:
People can defend Boeheim all they want about this,but this is just a reflection of how badly our recruiting analysis has become and the fact he never uses all the scholarships available at all times. Maybe Boeheim is just done with the dealing of egos a lot of the top recruits put out for display.
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I don't recall JB ever playing more than 7 or 8.
 
JoeSU said:
I don't recall JB ever playing more than 7 or 8.
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It's not just that he plays only 7-8 players,it's players who lack an offensive game are starting to increase.Pitt players even said we have no inside game at all.
 
jdubs30 said:
Nevermind -- I'm assuming they're taking the 1-5 players with the most minutes out of it, which Lydon would be in the group. SO our "bench" would be Frank and DC
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FH and DC probably have the most potential impact in making us have a successful NCAA run. Everyone else seems to have peaked this season in terms of what they can contribute.

The problem with this team is for us to beat a really good team the stars have to align and everyone who's playing has to have a very good game. Do that five times in a row and win a chicken dinner!
 
retro44 said:
It's not just that he plays only 7-8 players,it's players who lack an offensive game are starting to increase.Pitt players even said we have no inside game at all.
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Just last year we had one of the most prolific scoring centers we've ever had.

We aren't known for churning out low-post scorers anyway. Our 3's and 4's are supposed to be our scorers inside. Our starting 3 is a freshman who'd rather spend time on the perimeter and our starting 4 hasn't figured out in three years now how to finish around the basket.

The staff is continuing to bring in talented players. A mix of Top 40 studs and depth recruits (BJ Johnson, Patterson, Obokoh). A few (most notably Roberson, Coleman, and Joseph) just haven't developed as expected. A few have departed before anticipated (Ennis, Grant). Was the staff supposed to know Roberson was going to be so inconsistent as a junior and give up on him after last season?

I don't understand the recruiting criticism.
 
cuseguy said:
http://dailyorange.com/2016/02/blum...ts-himself-regarding-syracuses-lack-of-depth/
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I wouldn't run such an inflammatory headline, but this highlights the difference between the two main publications covering the team.

For all their tabloid trash ethos, the Post-Standard sticks to softball pieces about the team and coach; they wouldn't say that Boeheim contradicts himself.

The DO's not wrong here. When Boeheim gets worked up, he says ridiculously contradictory things when a simple "we're doing it this way because I'm comfortable with it and I'm not going to second-guess or defend this decision" would suffice.
 
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orangenirvana said:
Just last year we had one of the most prolific scoring centers we've ever had.

We aren't known for churning out low-post scorers anyway. Our 3's and 4's are supposed to be our scorers inside. Our starting 3 is a freshman who'd rather spend time on the perimeter and our starting 4 hasn't figured out in three years now how to finish around the basket.

The staff is continuing to bring in talented players. A mix of Top 40 studs and depth recruits (BJ Johnson, Patterson, Obokoh). A few (most notably Roberson, Coleman, and Joseph) just haven't developed as expected. A few have departed before anticipated (Ennis, Grant). Was the staff supposed to know Roberson was going to be so inconsistent as a junior and give up on him after last season?

I don't understand the recruiting criticism.
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We have to the worst post game that we have seen in some time, that’s why. We need to step our recruiting effort up 10 fold. We have no Big’s on this team who can play, are you comfortable with that? I would take Billy Celuck right now that how bad our big men are. The real question is how do fix this mess?
 
When you look over the past 40 years of JB at the helm, his 7 man rotation is his way, it's clearly his comfort zone. Only on a few occasions over this entire duration has he gone to 8, where one can objectively say that all 8 get "real" minutes of significance. He has stated in the past over and over that the college game with all its breaks, TV timeouts, etc., that players at this level have the stamina, etc. to more than function adequately. He also prefers and has stated that he wants his best players out there on the floor as much as possible as it gives him/SU the best chance of winning, now. That's what ultimately matters to him, winning, and now. It may be somewhat myopic in that it doesn't afford other players a legitimate chance to develop, gaining that critical game experience that may enhance the team's winning percentages late in the season, and, ultimately, come tourney time, but that's his way and prerogative. It is what it is...he has been very successful with this approach and it isn't ever going to change.

I imagine his preferred method of playing 7 guys, again, 'as long as these 7 are quality players,' may contribute to SU seemingly usually consistently have a relatively weak bench. This approach/system may also contribute and be casually related to why once you go past the 7th/8th man in the rotation, the roster level (quality) seems to drop off exponentially.
 
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jdubs30 said:
Nevermind -- I'm assuming they're taking the 1-5 players with the most minutes out of it, which Lydon would be in the group. SO our "bench" would be Frank and DC
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It's fun with numbers.
 
I don't think it's bad to play with just seven, but they have to be good players. The problem isn't that he plays a 7-man rotation, it's that three of them aren't notably good and there's no one else to replace them. That's the issue.
 
Fly Rodder said:
I don't think it's bad to play with just seven, but they have to be good players. The problem isn't that he plays a 7-man rotation, it's that three of them aren't notably good and there's no one else to replace them. That's the issue.
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Right...7 or 7.5 can work but they have to be good. I guess in the grand scheme of things it comes back to recruiting. Get good enough players to play that way.
 
Meanwhile it seems like every Michigan State and Louisville game I see, they rolling out walkons or former walkons who actually contribute. I don't know if that is a positive or a negative to be honest. I do know that we should bench Lydon in order to get #1 and print up some T's.
 
OttoMets said:
I wouldn't run such an inflammatory headline, but this highlights the difference between the two main publications covering the team.

For all their tabloid trash ethos, the Post-Standard sticks to softball pieces about the team and coach; they wouldn't say that Boeheim contradicts himself.

The DO's not wrong here. When Boeheim gets worked up, he says ridiculously contradictory things when a simple "we're doing it this way because I'm comfortable with it and I'm not going to second-guess or defend this decision" would suffice.
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Turnabout's fair play.
It's a very nice piece in the DO...exposing the Great College Mentor of Sports Journalists (read "bully").
 
orangenirvana said:
Just last year we had one of the most prolific scoring centers we've ever had.

We aren't known for churning out low-post scorers anyway. Our 3's and 4's are supposed to be our scorers inside. Our starting 3 is a freshman who'd rather spend time on the perimeter and our starting 4 hasn't figured out in three years now how to finish around the basket.

The staff is continuing to bring in talented players. A mix of Top 40 studs and depth recruits (BJ Johnson, Patterson, Obokoh). A few (most notably Roberson, Coleman, and Joseph) just haven't developed as expected. A few have departed before anticipated (Ennis, Grant). Was the staff supposed to know Roberson was going to be so inconsistent as a junior and give up on him after last season?

I don't understand the recruiting criticism.
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Our starting three is a natural two guard. Might be why he is on the perimeter and isn't on the block doing baby hooks.
 
Dave85 said:
FH and DC probably have the most potential impact in making us have a successful NCAA run. Everyone else seems to have peaked this season in terms of what they can contribute.

The problem with this team is for us to beat a really good team the stars have to align and everyone who's playing has to have a very good game. Do that five times in a row and win a chicken dinner!
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Just for clarity, what potential impact do you see DJC making? I think we know what we're getting from him.

FH, I agree with, but I don't think JB will give him the leash he would need to explode. FH saw he was coming out last game and took a jumper from the foul line as a big *** off to JB.
 
MikeSU02 said:
Just for clarity, what potential impact do you see DJC making? I think we know what we're getting from him.

FH, I agree with, but I don't think JB will give him the leash he would need to explode. FH saw he was coming out last game and took a jumper from the foul line as a big *** off to JB.
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I don't know if FH was making that big of a statement. He's playing pretty well and at the time our offense was really flat. Sometimes you have to stand up to JB to become successful in our program. I'm liking FH right now. All he needs is more playing time and I think we will see improvements.

I think DC has played a limited number of minutes all season not to stress the knee too severely. Over the last 10 games he seemed to me to be making better plays in the low post. He's not getting stripped as much as in the past and he's making more points. I think with him the more playing time will translate into better play. He just hasn't played that much over the years. I can see him having one or two crazy good games in the NCAA tournament depending on the match-up. Something like we've never seen him do his whole career. I'm thinking like a game with 5 or 6 dominating low post moves leading to big baskets. And which point it opens up outside shooting and we bury the team we're playing but DC will get a lot of the credit.
 
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