What are the minimum expectations for 2015

[NKR1978]

I can't get on board with the "give Shafer more time because Dungey is good" argument. The program is bigger then 1 player. He might get injured in the first series next season like Hunt. Need to think big picture.

And who's to say a better offensive coach couldn't do more with Dungey?

 

[Millhouse]

Re: short side option pitches and Ben Lewis.

He played backup Y receiver before he got hurt.
And we've cut back on the amount of option in favor of passing.

I honestly think you watch only offense. Nearly every coach in the Mumme tree has defensive issues. Like a history of crappy defenses.

since 09 on defense, SU averages 50th in yards per play, median season of 59th. our defense isn't that good. you know how i feel about last year's defense (opposing teams get a lead and shut it down to avoid turnovers at all costs)

let's ignore the difference in number of plays. SU is getting out gained on a per play basis.

TCU used to have a way better defense. miles better. they gain more on offense than they lose on defense.

i was wrong all along to hate the hybrid "the system fits the players" and now it's "lester's learning and just pay attention to the pitt game"

i didn't have many takers for my question about defensive head coaches at non-factories with good non-spread offenses.

 

[Alsacs]

since 09 on defense, SU averages 50th in yards per play, median season of 59th. our defense isn't that good. you know how i feel about last year's defense (opposing teams get a lead and shut it down to avoid turnovers at all costs)

let's ignore the difference in number of plays. SU is getting out gained on a per play basis.

TCU used to have a way better defense. miles better. they gain more on offense than they lose on defense.

i was wrong all along to hate the hybrid "the system fits the players" and now it's "lester's learning and just pay attention to the pitt game"

i didn't have many takers for my question about defensive head coaches at non-factories with good non-spread offenses.

Thank you for your posts.

 

[TheCusian]

since 09 on defense, SU averages 50th in yards per play, median season of 59th. our defense isn't that good. you know how i feel about last year's defense (opposing teams get a lead and shut it down to avoid turnovers at all costs)

let's ignore the difference in number of plays. SU is getting out gained on a per play basis.

TCU used to have a way better defense. miles better. they gain more on offense than they lose on defense.

i was wrong all along to hate the hybrid "the system fits the players" and now it's "lester's learning and just pay attention to the pitt game"

i didn't have many takers for my question about defensive head coaches at non-factories with good non-spread offenses.

And you ignored mine about bad defense with spread teams being way too common.

1. We are having a down year on D, but they are getting better. It happens.
2. You realize great offensive coaches can have bad years too? Young teams/Injuries happen. Miss on a QB recruiting? Dip. Look at Louisville the last two years. Petrino is a very good offensive coach, but they haven't been themselves yet due to QB issues. Luckily they had a good D last season and a decent one this year.
3. If Lester is analyzing the data and making changes, the yards per play goes up right? Do you want credit for saying the hybrid stuff isn't working as well as I thought? Okay. You were right. But the most important thing is that Lester knows that and is shifting his O.
4. I'm in favor of having a offensive coach. I'm in favor of being better on O that we are on D. I'm not in favor of having a Leach defense.

 

[Millhouse]

And you ignored mine about bad defense with spread teams being way too common.

1. We are having a down year on D, but they are getting better. It happens.
2. You realize great offensive coaches can have bad years too? Young teams/Injuries happen. Miss on a QB recruiting? Dip. Look at Louisville the last two years. Petrino is a very good offensive coach, but they haven't been themselves yet due to QB issues. Luckily they had a good D last season and a decent one this year.
3. If Lester is analyzing the data and making changes, the yards per play goes up right? Do you want credit for saying the hybrid stuff isn't working as well as I thought? Okay. You were right. But the most important thing is that Lester knows that and is shifting his O.
4. I'm in favor of having a offensive coach. I'm in favor of being better on O that we are on D. I'm not in favor of having a Leach defense.

i've said a thousand times that air raid offenses are not great for your defense to practice against. i didn't ignore you, I brought up TCU and conceded that their defense is way worse

but the odds are in your favor running it and the offense improves more than the defense fails.

meatheads loved ragging on leach at WSU you don't hear about it much anymore.

 

[Ozcuse]

We haven't seen it in awhile but Spurrier's Fun n Gun teams used to have pretty good defenses at Florida.

Also Clemson has a pretty good D as a spread offense team.

If Leach lasts at WSU another 2 seasons I bet they settle around Top 15-20 which is pretty damn amazing if you think of where they came from.

 

[orangeinjersey]

meatheads loved ragging on leach at WSU you don't hear about it much anymore.

Just win baby!!!! See how all that chirping goes away, once wins start racking up.

 

[Millhouse]

We haven't seen it in awhile but Spurrier's Fun n Gun teams used to have pretty good defenses at Florida.

Also Clemson has a pretty good D as a spread offense team.

If Leach lasts at WSU another 2 seasons I bet they settle around Top 15-20 which is pretty damn amazing if you think of where they came from.

Gerg's 4 year winning percentage is 16% better than WSU's 4 years prior to leach. and leach's 4th year will probably have more wins than Marrone's (although leach's 4 year record there will be worse overall)

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Re: short side option pitches and Ben Lewis.

He played backup Y receiver before he got hurt.
And we've cut back on the amount of option in favor of passing.

I honestly think you watch only offense. Nearly every coach in the Mumme tree has defensive issues. Like a history of crappy defenses.

I think the bad defense is part of the fun of having those offenses.

 

[TheCusian]

I think the bad defense is part of the fun of having those offenses.

That's fine as long as you know that going in.

I'd prefer a great offense with a defense in the 30's because they are on the field due to scoring quickly and teams playing from behind.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's fine as long as you know that going in.

I'd prefer a great offense with a defense in the 30's because they are on the field due to scoring quickly and teams playing from behind.

I do know that going in. I've been advocating that trade for like a decade now.

If you want a great offense with a defense in the 30s you're talking about a juggernaut.

 

[Millhouse]

That's fine as long as you know that going in.

I'd prefer a great offense with a defense in the 30's because they are on the field due to scoring quickly and teams playing from behind.

who are the non factories who accomplish this and what offenses do they run?

 

[Millhouse]

I do know that going in. I've been advocating that trade for like a decade now.

If you want a great offense with a defense in the 30s you're talking about a juggernaut.

we've been over this a million times. and he thinks i only watch offense. defensive head coaches with good non-spread offenses are unicorns.

ironically, one of the few teams to be top 40 in ypp on both sides is UCLA and their horrible no good n zone

 

[supp]

we've been over this a million times. and he thinks i only watch offense. defensive head coaches with good non-spread offenses are unicorns.

ironically, one of the few teams to be top 40 in ypp on both sides is UCLA and their horrible no good n zone

You have to admit that the Cusian has the harder job in this never-ending debate. He's defending the status quo while you're advocating what is at this point nothing more than a beautiful fantasy. Everyone wants the new thing compared to the old .

 

[Millhouse]

You have to admit that the Cusian has the harder job in this never-ending debate. He's defending the status quo while you're advocating what is at this point nothing more than a beautiful fantasy. Everyone wants the new thing compared to the old .

what is fantasy about DOING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES

what year is it?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

what is fantasy about DOING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES

what year is it?

This isn't 2002 where Leach was the only whacko out there. Its the way the game has trended and then C Kelly did the wicked fast tempo with a run first offense. What is next? When Kelly lit up a few 1A teams at New Hampshire a smart guy like Mike Bellotti took notice, I just don't think he realized how it would pan out. Kelly wound up being better than he was. Oregon showing some wear and tear though, I think Mariotta masked sins the first 2 years. They miss Kelly more though, IMO and I watch them quite a bit as my wife is UO alumni. I enjoy watching them lose

 

[supp]

what is fantasy about DOING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DOES

what year is it?

It's a fantasy because we don't have it and with our luck even if we have it, we'll wind up not getting it right.

When things are going bad, the current situation is always harder to defend than advocating radical change, and for good reason. So take it easy on Cusian. The odds are stacked against him.

 

[TheCusian]

who are the non factories who accomplish this and what offenses do they run?

Repeatedly, I've said we actually agree. I would love the spread here. It makes sense. I just don't want to sacrifice the defense too much. Maybe in the 30's was too pie in the sky.

 

[Millhouse]

This isn't 2002 where Leach was the only whacko out there. Its the way the game has trended and then C Kelly did the wicked fast tempo with a run first offense. What is next? When Kelly lit up a few 1A teams at New Hampshire a smart guy like Mike Bellotti took notice, I just don't think he realized how it would pan out. Kelly wound up being better than he was. Oregon showing some wear and tear though, I think Mariotta masked sins the first 2 years. They miss Kelly more though, IMO and I watch them quite a bit as my wife is UO alumni. I enjoy watching them lose

i still remember the run up to the 99 music city bowl where it was just accepted that you couldn't possibly run out of the shotgun with 4 WR. no way no how. ny giants smash!

 

[GoSU96]

we've been over this a million times. and he thinks i only watch offense. defensive head coaches with good non-spread offenses are unicorns.

ironically, one of the few teams to be top 40 in ypp on both sides is UCLA and their horrible no good n zone

I don't know about yards per play, but yards per game it's not all that rare. Between 9 and 16 teams have done it every season since 2009 and the styles are all over the place.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't know about yards per play, but yards per game it's not all that rare. Between 9 and 16 teams have done it every season since 2009 and the styles are all over the place.

that's where the non-factory criteria comes in.

alabama can do whatever they want. if i were an alabama fan, i wouldn't want the air raid. it would hurt their defense more than it helps their offense, which can succeed doing anything