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[CanadianSU]

Nashville was ok when I was in university. Looks like I’d just want to go home now.

 

[NJneer12]

TN did abolish slavery the Feb before the war ended but Virginia did it in 1864. PA was the first state to do it in 1780 (took a few years to be fully enforced).

Wasn't the 1864 Virginia abolishment their occupied government?

List I have doesnt have Louisiana either. So they put Tennessee as first confederate state to abolish after the war.

Interesting part of history.

 

[PAcuse]

Wasn't the 1864 Virginia abolishment their occupied government?

List I have doesnt have Louisiana either. So they put Tennessee as first confederate state to abolish after the war.

Interesting part of history.

Good point, might have to do some more digging. TN might be the first true confederate government run state to do it but I think they did it in February 1865 might be wrong. Lots of history in that time period and tough to learn it all.

 

[sufandu]

Being A federal Welfare State isn't a positive in my opinion. All the states that don't have state income tax just take more from the other states.

Tennessee receives more federal aid than it pays in federal income tax because Tennessee does not have a state income tax. While Tennessee residents contribute to federal income taxes like other states, the state as a whole receives significant federal funds for various programs, resulting in a net positive balance where federal money received outweighs the state's direct contributions via income tax.

How Tennessee Benefits from Federal Funding

• No State Income Tax:
  Tennessee is one of the states with no state income tax, a significant difference from many other states that rely on it to fund state services.
  
  
• Reliance on Other Taxes:
  To compensate for the lack of income tax, Tennessee relies heavily on other forms of revenue, such as sales tax.
  
  
• Federal Support for Services:
  Despite not having an income tax, the state and its residents still benefit from federal programs and funding in areas like disaster relief, food assistance, and public education

It wasn't a serious comment. Don't go out of your way to make things unfun.

 

[NJneer12]

Good point, might have to do some more digging. TN might be the first true confederate government run state to do it but I think they did it in February 1865 might be wrong. Lots of history in that time period and tough to learn it all.

Probably going to watch Ken Burns Civil War before his new one about Revolution releases.

 

[sufandu]

The point being, if they don't have adequate state income, they require federal support... They pass their funding requirements to other states that do fully fund themselves.

As for your support of sales tax, that increases the proportional burden on poor people. Rich people save their money, they don't spend it. Meanwhile, the paycheck to paycheck crowd spend every penny, thus pay more taxes than those who save money. It's regressive instead of progressive tax.

But that's besides the point... I was just making fun of Tennessee.

I won't comment on your first two points, and don't take that to mean I disagree with you. I wholeheartedly endorse your last one.

 

[sufandu]

The problem with people that are truly affected are those spending beyond their means .. you know the guys living in a double wide but somehow got approved for a load on a $50K pickup truck or dodge chchallenger.

Some people in that demographic do that. Sadly, I know plenty that don't and still struggle.

 

[wfschrec]

Some people in that demographic do that. Sadly, I know plenty that don't and still struggle.

I saw it a lot in CNY too … quite frankly it isn’t isolated to a single state or region, people just like clinging to stupid tropes to make themselves feel better by targeting certain demographics.

 

[PhatOrange]

Good point, might have to do some more digging. TN might be the first true confederate government run state to do it but I think they did it in February 1865 might be wrong. Lots of history in that time period and tough to learn it all.

Big abolitionist movement in PreWar Eastern Tennessee led by Andrew Johnson who lived in Greeneville, TN, but signed on with the Union.

 

[PhatOrange]

Your point is wrong ... they send more than they receive so they obviously have sufficient tax rails in place ... take the L. As for the tax rate again not accurate rich people still will contribute far more to the tax burden naturally by spending significantly more simply by nature.

The problem with people that are truly affected are those spending beyond their means .. you know the guys living in a double wide but somehow got approved for a load on a $50K pickup truck or dodge challenger.

Living in a double wide so one can have toys is a sound business decision. ;-)

 

[wfschrec]

Living in a double wide so one can have toys is a sound business decision. ;-)

I have no issue with living in a double wide .. however when you spend as much on a car as you did your house and you live paycheck to paycheck it makes one question the decision. I know plenty of folks who drive a $5-10K car and live comfortably that way.

 

[sufandu]

I saw it a lot in CNY too … quite frankly it isn’t isolated to a single state or region, people just like clinging to stupid tropes to make themselves feel better by targeting certain demographics.

Not sure what you mean. You suggested that people disproportionately affected by sales taxes manage their money poorly. I was saying that even though that's true for some, there are many that struggle despite managing their money responsibly. That's especially true in areas that tax necessities like food.

 

[wfschrec]

Not sure what you mean. You suggested that people disproportionately affected by sales taxes manage their money poorly. I was saying that even though that's true for some, there are many that struggle despite managing their money responsibly. That's especially true in areas that tax necessities like food.

Of course but the tax hit on pure income in a state where you pay 6% or more state income tax along with an additional sales tax of 4-5% is a bigger hit than a 9% tax on spend .. not sure how anyone can't rationalize that.

 

[sufandu]

Of course but the tax hit on pure income in a state where you pay 6% or more state income tax along with an additional sales tax of 4-5% is a bigger hit than a 9% tax on spend .. not sure how anyone can't rationalize that.

It would be interesting to see those numbers on something like a $45,000/yr income. Any idea what a typical annual grocery budget is for a family of 4?

 

[wfschrec]

It would be interesting to see those numbers on something like a $45,000/yr income. Any idea what a typical annual grocery budget is for a family of 4?

Truthfully I don't know. The thing to consider is the 6% state income tax is on the gross not the net and the sales taxes hit the net (i.e. post federal income tax removed) so that 6% state income looms larger. My conjecture is no matter what state you live in a $45K salary with a family of four is pretty much near poverty line based on cost of goods. There are of course other tax ramifications such as taxes on fuel and utilities ... its a big complicated mess.

 

[AllHailOtto]

Ah yes, nothing says college football is back like detailed breakdown of state tax structures

 

[sufandu]

Truthfully I don't know. The thing to consider is the 6% state income tax is on the gross not the net and the sales taxes hit the net (i.e. post federal income tax removed) so that 6% state income looms larger. My conjecture is no matter what state you live in a $45K salary with a family of four is pretty much near poverty line based on cost of goods. There are of course other tax ramifications such as taxes on fuel and utilities ... its a big complicated mess.

And cost of goods varies from place to place. When I moved I was surprised how much more groceries were here in Knoxville compared to Syracuse. I assumed with lower tax burden on businesses, goods would be cheaper. Nope.

 

[Cuse On 3]

There will be a lot of surprised folks on this board when we end up kicking Tennessee’s redneck a**. I won’t be one of them.

 

[wfschrec]

And cost of goods varies from place to place. When I moved I was surprised how much more groceries were here in Knoxville compared to Syracuse. I assumed with lower tax burden on businesses, goods would be cheaper. Nope.

State income tax has no bearing on business tax burden ... for example I opened an LLC here in Florida and have to pay an extra tax for state unemployment. It varies .. the other thing to consider is raw cost of goods due to fuel expenditure for transport. There are a lot of reasons that happens. I know when I moved from NY to GA in 2009 I was saving money overall due to lower tax burden. Here in Florida my tax burden is less than GA.

 

[All4SU]

Nashville, Nashville hot chicken, Dolly Parton, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins, Chet Atkins, Allman Brothers, BB King, Isaac Hayes, Sun Records, Stax Records, Memphis BBQ, Moon Pies…

+ Justin Townes Earle (RIP)

 

[IthacaMatt]

The sense I get about them is that they have a roster deep with athletes. But they have had quite a bit of turnover.

Their QB is stepping up a level in competition, is more of a runner than a passer, and is prone to mistakes.

I watched that smug preview, and they don't think we can match up on the lines, and that Tennessee will run at will, and we will have to sell out to stop the run.

They also feel like our D line is trash, and they will run at will. I haven't heard so much pre-game disrespect in quite a long time.

This game is about toughness.

We are as big and as fast as these guys.

This game is about who has the nastier attitude.

From the way the press is setting up, they are going to come into the game a bit cocky.

I hope we hit them in the mouth hard early in the game.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I remember an old internet joke about Tennessee football fans.

Why do Tennesseans always wear orange?

They wear orange on Saturday for the Vols football game. And on Sunday to go hunting. And then on Monday through Friday when picking up trash on the side of the highway.

One outfit, so many purposes.

 

[longtimefan]

That isn't right .. in 2023 Tennessee paid more than received. Federal support for services is taken from federal taxes and has nothing to do with state income tax so the third bullet is ridiculous in general. Federal programs come from federal taxes, state has nothing to do with it. In 2023 Tennessee was net -$4 billion in the federal tax dole ... which for a state that size is big. Stop relying on garbage AI to put out nonsense.

Which states contribute the most and least to federal revenue? | USAFacts

In 2023, New Yorkers paid about $89 billion more to the federal government than they received.

usafacts.org

Texas, Tennessee and Florida all paid more than received and have zero state income tax.

As for the second bullet I would far rather get taxed on spend then taxed on income that is common sense.

The chart you referenced covers only a single fiscal year. Something covering, say, the past 25 years (at least) would be more informative.

I remember Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan complaining about NY being a consistent net negative back in the 1980's. New Yorkers have done more than their share to support the federal government for decades, if not centuries.

 

[wfschrec]

The chart you referenced covers only a single fiscal year. Something covering, say, the past 25 years (at least) would be more informative.

I remember Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan complaining about NY being a consistent net negative back in the 1980's. New Yorkers have done more than their share to support the federal government for decades, if not centuries.

Thats fine ... it is far better than throwing out a generic statement which obviously is not true 100% of the time. I have said nothing about NY support and the reason it is that way is because of high net worth individuals living in NYC in a largely concentrated area. It isn't rocket science. It is also why businesses have slowly been leaving, the fact is yeah its one year but lets not paint the narrative that the state leaches off the system all the time as I have already given you one bullet point to counter that narrative. Aside from that and the ridiculous tax argument not sure what else to say.