what if 1995-1998 talent could travel in time

[Millhouse]

this is not a rip on Deleone and Pasqualoni, I swear it. Back in those days, spread em out and have the qb run out of the shotgun wasn't a design. options were mostly pitches. The game changed a lot and I don't blame them for being 10 - 15 years ahead of the rest of the world.

We kinda had a glimpse of it with our shotgun to mcnabb who does something awesome third down offense.

but can you imagine those skill players in a Chip Kelly offense? mcintosh would've flourished. how would you defend the zone read option with mcnabb going one way, konrad another, mcintosh going the other with harrison, johnson, and or spotwood going down field

harrison and johnson going in motion and taking zone read handoffs

maybe we would've seen the zone read freeze option.

i'm sure lots of teams could do this what if but my god.

this isn't saying that offense wasn't really good then as it was. i know how any post about that era will get perceived. it's just fun to think about players and systems from different eras.

 

[OrangePA]

The pro-option was revolutionary because it was an option-based offense that threw the ball 25 times per game.

The concepts of the spread option or read option are very similar to those of the pro-option.

DeLeone could not continue to use the pro-option because he could not get a QB who had the quickness needed to run it.

I really do think that Joe Daily could have done it well - what a bonehead for going to Nebraska - he would have had the job as a true frosh and would have flourished.

 

[Millhouse]

The pro-option was revolutionary because it was an option-based offense that threw the ball 25 times per game.

The concepts of the spread option or read option are very similar to those of the pro-option.

DeLeone could not continue to use the pro-option because he could not get a QB who had the quickness needed to run it.

I really do think that Joe Daily could have done it well - what a bonehead for going to Nebraska - he would have had the job as a true frosh and would have flourished.

i think there is a big difference between pitch options and handoff options. i know that's not football lingo. i don't like the pitches because of the fumbles and everybody is going the same direction. shrinks the field. which is great when you want to flatten people like old nebraska - shrinking the field is fine for them. zone reads open up more space imo

i don't really think they were the forefathers of the zone read spread option the way you do. that's not a knock on them.

 

[GoSU96]

this is not a rip on Deleone and Pasqualoni, I swear it. Back in those days, spread em out and have the qb run out of the shotgun wasn't a design. options were mostly pitches. The game changed a lot and I don't blame them for being 10 - 15 years ahead of the rest of the world.

We kinda had a glimpse of it with our shotgun to mcnabb who does something awesome third down offense.

but can you imagine those skill players in a Chip Kelly offense? mcintosh would've flourished. how would you defend the zone read option with mcnabb going one way, konrad another, mcintosh going the other with harrison, johnson, and or spotwood going down field

harrison and johnson going in motion and taking zone read handoffs

maybe we would've seen the zone read freeze option.

i'm sure lots of teams could do this what if but my god.

this isn't saying that offense wasn't really good then as it was. i know how any post about that era will get perceived. it's just fun to think about players and systems from different eras.

What's funny is that they had RJ in the shotgun with Reyes running an version of the zone read. Lit up ND doing that.

 

[rrlbees]

The pro-option was revolutionary because it was an option-based offense that threw the ball 25 times per game.

The concepts of the spread option or read option are very similar to those of the pro-option.

DeLeone could not continue to use the pro-option because he could not get a QB who had the quickness needed to run it.

I really do think that Joe Daily could have done it well - what a bonehead for going to Nebraska - he would have had the job as a true frosh and would have flourished.

Daily wouldn't have been a slam dunk for success here. He was a flop at Nebraska and they ran a similar offense. McNabb was even down to Nebraska or SU because of how the QB was used.

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[Nick44]

In my opinion 97-98 and 98-99 were the worst jobs done by coach p and his staff during his tenure. Not to go off topic but that team was stacked. Just look at the NFL talent they produced. We almost finished 7-5 in 98 if it wasn't for the VT comeback.

Coach P should've been fired after that season. That team had 10-2 talent at worse.

 

[OrangePA]

Daily wouldn't have been a slam dunk for success here. He was a flop at Nebraska and they ran a similar offense. McNabb was even down to Nebraska or SU because of how the QB was used.

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I'm not sure that's really true.

The Nebraska system was an option system. It was not the pro-option that DeLeone ran.

The fact is that Dailey did play under Solich as a true frosh - and had some success.

He started the next year - at least in the beginning of the season - under Bill Callahan who by that time was running a pro style offense that did not suit Joe.

And Dailey ultimately did not make it in that system.

I believe the DeLeone system would have worked very well with Joe Dailey.

I know they were crushed when he chose Nebraska - a decision I suspect he now regrets.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm not sure that's really true.

The Nebraska system was an option system. It was not the pro-option that DeLeone ran.

The fact is that Dailey did play under Solich as a true frosh - and had some success.

He started the next year - at least in the beginning of the season - under Bill Callahan who by that time was running a pro style offense that did not suit Joe.

And Dailey ultimately did not make it in that system.

I believe the DeLeone system would have worked very well with Joe Dailey.

I know they were crushed when he chose Nebraska - a decision I suspect he now regrets.

he did play a little as a frosh throwing 14 passes. started as a soph but then as a junior was dropped to #4 on the depth chart and why he xfered to unc. unc moved him to wr after he was named the starter for a bit at qb.

 

[Millhouse]

What's funny is that they had RJ in the shotgun with Reyes running an version of the zone read. Lit up ND doing that.

they lived off shotgun qb draws that year too.

 

[OrangePA]

In my opinion 97-98 and 98-99 were the worst jobs done by coach p and his staff during his tenure. Not to go off topic but that team was stacked. Just look at the NFL talent they produced. We almost finished 7-5 in 98 if it wasn't for the VT comeback.

Coach P should've been fired after that season. That team had 10-2 talent at worse.

One problem - the problem.

The QB position - we could not replace McNabb and a decent amount of talent at other positions was hurt by that.

 

[Scooch]

It's a fun exercise to think through, but offense was not the problem in those years, particularly '97 and '98.

If only Dwight Freeney was a couple years older (damn his parents!). If we had our 2000 or 2001 defense with the 1998 offense we might have legitimately contended for a national title.

 

[Chip]

It's a fun exercise to think through, but offense was not the problem in those years, particularly '97 and '98.

If only Dwight Freeney was a couple years older (damn his parents!). If we had our 2000 or 2001 defense with the 1998 offense we might have legitimately contended for a national title.

If Marvin Harrison's parents waited one more year to make their future hand shooting son, 1996 would have been a very good year. It would have been a very good year. My name was Brian McGee, I stayed up listening to Queen. (whenever I think of the Sinatra's It was a Very Good Year, I always sing it with Homer's lyrics).

Just couldn't get everyone together at the right time. And I'm not even including Vick. Vick/Freeney, oh my. We could have won 2 on 22.

 

[SWC75]

The 1998 Syracuse team + Dwight Freeney as a senior = the 2010 Auburn team.

 

[ForeverOrange]

It's a fun exercise to think through, but offense was not the problem in those years, particularly '97 and '98.

If only Dwight Freeney was a couple years older (damn his parents!). If we had our 2000 or 2001 defense with the 1998 offense we might have legitimately contended for a national title.

Bingo. Our DB's in particular were just not that good, we couldn't get much pressure on the qb either. Remember Florida, Sugar Orange bowl, first series or play, can't remember it was so traumatic, long bomb right off the start, game was over before it even started. Spurrier knew our DB's were suspect and wasted no time proving it.

 

[Millhouse]

Bingo. Our DB's in particular were just not that good, we couldn't get much pressure on the qb either. Remember Florida, Sugar bowl, first series or play, can't remember it was so traumatic, long bomb right off the start, game was over before it even started. Spurrier knew our DB's were suspect and wasted no time proving it.

not sure that's the best example. 10 pts with garbage time TD. giving up 30 seems like less of a problem than scoring 10. that's just one game, i know

 

[Scooch]

not sure that's the best example. 10 pts with garbage time TD. giving up 30 seems like less of a problem than scoring 10. that's just one game, i know

Florida could have scored 100 if they wanted too, though.

I think Spurrier was planning his winter golf outings instead of calling plays in the 2nd half.

 

[Chip]

Florida could have scored 100 if they wanted too, though.

I think Spurrier was planning his winter golf outings instead of calling plays in the 2nd half.

Yeah, I think they had 28 at halftime right?

To Millhouse's point, it would have been nice if we could have kept up. Had we, then Florida wouldn't have had much trouble hanging 50 that night.

 

[Millhouse]

Florida could have scored 100 if they wanted too, though.

I think Spurrier was planning his winter golf outings instead of calling plays in the 2nd half.

true but a big reason why didn't was because they shut us down so much.

i'm not complaining. it was a great week down there at the Banana Bungalow. take a wild guess who was responsible for selecting that ho(s)tel out of all the places to stay in miami. ^^^^^^^^^

 

[Nick44]

One problem - the problem.

The QB position - we could not replace McNabb and a decent amount of talent at other positions was hurt by that.

I'm referring to when McNabb was there, his junior and senior seasons. They both either failed to meet expectations or barely met expectations. Didn't they start 1-3 in 97? They finished respectively but still, that was a disappointment. 98 was no different. Widely entertaining but failed to achieve anything outside of a BE title. That team should've finished 10-1 and at least put up a fight against Florida in the Orange Bowl.

That team had the talent to finish and be remembered as one of the best teams of that decade. Instead Coach P could not get them there.

 

[dollarbill44]

If that team could time travel, I would take them to the 30s and 40s so they could win multiple NCs and we would now be like ND in that we don't even have to try to recruit.

 

[Aweart23]

If that team could time travel, I would take them to the 30s and 40s so they could win multiple NCs and we would now be like ND in that we don't even have to try to recruit.

Who would time travel with the team as coach? P? Ben S? Mac? I'd almost take Mac, God Bless Him over Ben...

 

[dollarbill44]

Who would time travel with the team as coach? P? Ben S? Mac? I'd almost take Mac, God Bless Him over Ben...

I would have to go with Coach Mac.