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Message: [QUOTE="pokercuse08, post: 4786165, member: 6535"] To me this is the quintessential debate around Syracuse football. What is a successful season? And the answer isn't just X or more wins. Is 8-4 a successful season with eight wins over: Colgate Western Michigan Purdue Army Virginia Tech Boston College Pitt Wake Forest And four losses to: Clemson UNC Florida State Georgia Tech And then a mediocre bowl game against another mid-level team. If so, what's that based on? Would 8-4 be successful if we had eight wins over Colgate/Western Michigan/Army level teams? Or is it just a successful season because we beat Purdue and didn't get upset by any of the lower tier teams? I guess it boils down to, is it successful to be like a top 60 program and beat who we're supposed to bet and get trounced by the top-25 teams, or do we aspire to more for this program? I aspire to more. [/QUOTE]