What kind of analytics leads to 29% 3 pt shooter in conference games leading the team in attempts

[tbonezone]

there are currently 34 players in the ACC avg'ing over 4 treys a game. 3p% wise j.j is 29th in that group.

 

[RF2044]

I hear you. I think there is more to the Bell story than we see on the court...

I can you tell based on a couple of preseason practices I was fortunate enough to observe that the plan at that time seemed to center around pushing the ball up the court with Carlos into a transition offense. Getting Bell and JJ looks from 3 by fanning them out during the transition was the focus, followed by posting up Lampkin. They went to a 4 out motion offense from there if nothing showed in transition. The motion offense has since been replaced with strong side screening action to get inside looks and JJ trying to create off the dribble. To my eye, standing around on the weakside is an attempt to draw weakside defenders away from the lane. I can see what they are trying to do, even if I don't agree with the plan. But, as I said, execution, coaching, and talent all seem to be factors.

The disaster at the other end of the floor is the most damning issue from a coaching perspective, IMO.

4 out motion offense would be a welcome change, AND viable... if we didn't have 3 guys standing around watching instead of acting as decoys.

In that type of offense, as with any structured offensive concept, you'd expect to see purposeful screening, off the ball cutting, and quality passing.

Right, wrong, or indifferent -- our offense has devolved into east-west passing, ineffectual penetration most of the time, and one-on-one iso ball that often results in a poor shot at the end of the shot clock. PRECISELY because we don't do the away from the ball things that tend to result in quality shot attempts.

I know this isn't true of you, as a coach, but I think that a significant portion of our fanbase doesn't watch enough college basketball, to recognize that there are many teams with varying levels of talent that run and execute functional offenses. We don't.

 

[Millhouse]

One of Boeheim's great strengths as a coach was that he made sure that the right guys took most of the shots. That sounds silly, but giving too many shots (or the wrong kind of shots) to bad shooters is something that sinks a lot of teams.

Autry doesn't do that. Even last year, Starling and Mintz combined took more 3s than Bell (221 vs. 200), and did so at an awful 0.307 clip.

Boeheim was so intuitively smart, he didn't need the analytics as much

Spot on observation about JB's greatest strengths. I was at a coaching clinic many years ago and Pitno talked about that point - JB's uncanny ability to put players in the best positions to maximize their abilities. And he did that without analytics. You don't have 1 losing season over a 47 year career by accident.

Most of the heat Red is getting is warranted. But I think part of what people misinterpret as having "no concept" on offense is his attempt to make sure his best players are taking the majority of the shots. He wants JJ taking shots despite the poor 3 percentages. The long drawn out possessions that don't appear to have a purpose are an attempt to get the ball inside to Lampkin and Davis. Given the available talent, that concept is not outrageous. There is a plan. The execution is the issue.

Why does he want JJ taking those shots?

 

[007]

Why does he want JJ taking those shots?

In general, maybe because he is averaging 19 per game in league play and is the only guy who can create his own shot? I realize your point is analytics suggest he should take less 3s/the wrong guys are taking the 3s. Hard to argue with that. On the other hand, teams continue to play JJ straight up. Maybe that's because the belief is he is a streaky volume shooter and they don't want him to get in a rhythm? IDK. If teams played off of him, he would likely be less effective at getting to the rim.

 

[Millhouse]

In general, maybe because he is averaging 19 per game in league play and is the only guy who can create his own shot? I realize your point is analytics suggest he should take less 3s/the wrong guys are taking the 3s. Hard to argue with that. On the other hand, teams continue to play JJ straight up. Maybe that's because the belief is he is a streaky volume shooter and they don't want him to get in a rhythm? IDK. If teams played off of him, he would likely be less effective at getting to the rim.

I don't know how to not sound like a jerk but streaky volume shooters always have terrible percentages

 

[Millhouse]

there are currently 34 players in the ACC avg'ing over 4 treys a game. 3p% wise j.j is 29th in that group.

Is that overall or in conference? Just curious not asking you to get additional stats

I tend to look at conference because Syracuse falls off a cliff in conference games many years for some reason

 

[tbonezone]

Is that overall or in conference? Just curious not asking you to get additional stats

I tend to look at conference because Syracuse falls off a cliff in conference games many years for some reason

those numbers were season not just conference. in ACC only he's 11th in attempts at 6pg and of those 11 he's 10th in accuracy . j.j is currently leading the league in FGA at 16.8 .

 

[007]

I don't know how to not sound like a jerk but streaky volume shooters always have terrible percentages

I can agree with at least part of that...

Why do you think teams still play him straight up?