What to look forward to

[Briancuse]

this isnt football - 1 loss doesnt end a season

i think bc is a bad matchup for red

this team is still alive and will have some good wins in the future

does that mean they make the tourney? idk

but theyre 100% still in the mix

You mean the same bc that lost at home to cccsu, and Davidson? Maybe we can get storybook on the schedule instead, nm they actually beat hofstra.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Rennet

BC is a bad matchup for Red? 0-4 in conference BC?

their defensive profile - strong 1 on 1 defenders that collectively shut down dribble drives - is basically kryptonite for reds approach

theyre a top 50 defensive team easily

not saying SU shouldve lost but still

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Rennet

BC is a bad matchup for Red? 0-4 in conference BC?

I’m convinced Red could lose an internal scrimmage. What constitutes a “bad matchup” at this point?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I’m convinced Red could lose an internal scrimmage. What constitutes a “bad matchup” at this point?

The other team with 5 guys on the court

 

[STEVEHOLT]

their defensive profile - strong 1 on 1 defenders that collectively shut down dribble drives - is basically kryptonite for reds approach

theyre a top 50 defensive team easily

not saying SU shouldve lost but still

I don’t believe red has an approach

 

[23Zone]

To answer the original question... Tax refunds lol

 

[Briancuse]

their defensive profile - strong 1 on 1 defenders that collectively shut down dribble drives - is basically kryptonite for reds approach

theyre a top 50 defensive team easily

not saying SU shouldve lost but still

Umass ccsu and Davidson all found a way

 

[IthacaMatt]

It was the right call, per the rules. But I get why Bills fans are sad.

Yeah, I disagree. He has possession and his knee is down before the ball is taken from him.

 

[Scooch]

Yeah, I disagree. He has possession and his knee is down before the ball is taken from him.

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Never use still pictures to determine football calls. Gotta look at video or it’s a pointless excercise.

 

[Cusean]

I’m a bit depressed. What’s a realistic best case scenario?

This is a bit Pollyannish, but still somewhat realistic:

-Either Hofstra or @ BC becomes a Quad 2 loss, giving us only one “bad” loss. Neither is catastrophic even if they both stay Quad 3.

-We win three out of the next four against Va Tech, Miami, @NC State, ND. A chance to get some good Quad 2 wins at home even if none are terribly flashy. Gets us to 15-7.

-We then have about 7 Quad One opportunities left. Go 3-4 in those games. Gets us to 18-11.

-Beat Cal and Pitt at home. 20-11.

At that point, we’d have something like 4 Quad One wins and 4-5 Quad Twos. Possibly just one Quad 3 loss. That team may get in with just one ACC tournament win.

-Our NET is 75. Really not terrible.

We took Houston to OT, we beat Tennessee, we were there with Clemson until the end. Same with Kansas. We lost to Hofstra and BC. All of that tells me we can beat anyone and we can lose to anyone. Aside from Pitt and maybe ND, there’s not really any bad losses left out there.

Again, probably Pollyannish but I don’t think it’s absolutely crazy.

 

[Consigliere]

Are you serious? With another coach yes. But with another coach you’d be tourney bound. Did you see the end of the game against BC? No foul on that last 3-point attempt by BC in regulation? Everyone on this board knows you foul.

But Autry does not. And for some reason his players don’t know this either, or Autry told them not to foul. Foul BEFORE the 3-point attempt. My 13-year-old asked me why there was no foul.

Autry in the 90s playing at Syracuse would have fouled that player BEFORE the 3-point attempt. With no input from Boeheim. It’s like Autry forgot how the game is played.

That play started with 17 seconds on the clock. The shot went up at 8. It’s not a no brainer to foul up three unless there are less than 5 seconds left. Otherwise you’re just prolonging the game and benefiting the trailing team.

 

[Orangezoo]

That play started with 17 seconds on the clock. The shot went up at 8. It’s not a no brainer to foul up three unless there are less than 5 seconds left. Otherwise you’re just prolonging the game and benefiting the trailing team.

What was a no brainer was properly calling a switch on any ball screen action given the opponent and scenario makes it obvious that getting a 3 would be the call. That’s not a college level coaching mistake. That’s middle school stuff.

 

[Consigliere]

I am seriously ignoring all talk of postseason chances, Quad wins, rankings/ratings, odds, and what have you. Whatever happens happens. I’m just focused on each individual game and finding joy in the micro. From good plays, to player development, all the way up to individual game wins.

I’m jaded, and completely expect the AD to contrive some sick rationalization to retain Red, and if/when he is ever replaced, SU will contrive some sick rationale for not spending the money required to get someone effective.

I hope to be proven wrong.

Agree completely with your first paragraph. Looking forward to Wednesday night. Want to see if Kingz can build on his outstanding performance in Boston. Want to see how Donnie bounces back from his worst performance since coming back from injury. I’ll enjoy the moment thankful that I can enjoy high level college basketball 15 minutes from my house.

Disagree with your second paragraph. Unfortunately SU has not invested in basketball the way they have in football. Syracuse has a much smaller support and coaching staff than the top programs in the ACC but that won’t stop John from making a change if it’s due. Make the tournament and we run it back next year. Miss it and there is very little gray area in the decision. But that decision won’t take place in January.

Lose to Hofstra and the sky is falling. Win six of the next seven and it might not be that bad. Lose to BC and the sky is falling. Personally I am invested in seeing what happens next. Hopefully there are more positives than negatives. Obsessing about the latter for the next two months serves zero productive purpose.

 

[Consigliere]

What was a no brainer was properly calling a switch on any ball screen action given the opponent and scenario makes it obvious that getting a 3 would be the call. That’s not a college level coaching mistake. That’s middle school stuff.

No issue with that at all. And this team has proved to be very good at switching and recovering. Made it all the more frustrating. Add in that Hand was shooting 21% from 3 coming in (despite being a very good perimeter shooter last year) and hit two huge threes at the end of the game.

My biggest criticism of coaching Saturday was playing so much zone in the second half partly to protect Kiyan who couldn’t stay in front of anyone. Syracuse does not rebound at all in the zone and gave up three huge offensive rebounds, 1 kicked out for a Payne 3, one converted inside and finally an and one by Hastings for 8 points total.

 

[Orangezoo]

No issue with that at all. And this team has proved to be very good at switching and recovering. Made it all the more frustrating. Add in that Hand was shooting 21% from 3 coming in (despite being a very good perimeter shooter last year) and hit two huge threes at the end of the game.

My biggest criticism of coaching Saturday was playing so much zone in the second half partly to protect Kiyan who couldn’t stay in front of anyone. Syracuse does not rebound at all in the zone and gave up three huge offensive rebounds, 1 kicked out for a Payne 3, one converted inside and finally an and one by Hastings for 8 points total.

I take issue with all of it honestly. Not being more aggressive to make sure we switch, not playing as much zone and doing a very poor job with the rotations and sub patterns especially earlier in the game when we absolutely were set to build a bigger cushion which if you have scouted BC, that’s maybe the number 1 thing you want given they prefer lower scoring games where they don’t have to generate a lot of offense.

 

[orangecuse]

Never use still pictures to determine football calls. Gotta look at video or it’s a pointless excercise.

Ha, "pointless" to you perhaps, since you are arguing from the other side. I believe your analogy of where a receiver has to maintain control throughout hitting the ground when going out of bounds or otherwise is not on point here. In those aforementioned examples, the receiver isn't down by 'contact,' but rather from his own doing, etc.

The interception in question is a horse of a different color, where as soon as the knee (or any other applicable body part per rule) is, and there's possession while touched in that moment, he's "ruled down by contact." There wasn't "simultaneous" possession at that exact moment, from my (Browns fan) perspective. It's why on so many fumbles where the ball comes loose after the aforementioned, the player is ruled down.

Perhaps, you've heard of the ol adage, "a picture paints a thousand words?"

Edit: Oh, and one other thing regarding your "never use still pictures to determine football calls." When they are reviewing the video "frame by frame" and "freeze framing" it so to speak, isn't that in essence a 'still' shot? In that regard, 'still' shots are used all the time in football to make such calls.

 

[RF2044]

Change

 

[orangecuse]

Yeah, I disagree. He has possession and his knee is down before the ball is taken from him.

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100%. In addition, the all important/critical 'contact' made.

 

[GoCuse14]

I actually thought of that while watching the game. I thought there must be a lot of Bills/Syracuse fans.

I got a triple whammy as an Atlanta Braves fan, starting SS out 4/5 months after a slip and fall on the ice. Really bad sports weekend.

Luckily, my girls and boys wrestling teams had a very good weekend.

 

[GoCuse14]

add on the fact that Iowa State is in a serious funk... a very bad day.

oh yeah, as an ISU grad this is another kick to me pills.

 

[kcsu]

I’m a bit depressed. What’s a realistic best case scenario?

Round of 32

 

[2B20Again]

No, the rule is that a receiver has to survive the ground, not just have a moment of control. Think of it this way: if there was no defender there, and the ball went flying away after Cooks hit the ground, then no one would be claiming it was complete. We saw that happen a few times in Diagreeyesterday's game. Those weren't fumbles because a receiver has to survive the ground.

In this case, the defender ripped the ball away simultaneous to Cooks hitting the ground. It was a very weird play, but the refs got it right.

Disagree, receiver had control on the ground ball was ripped away when momentum rolled receiver over and defender body weight removed the ball. It was a catch!!

 

[2B20Again]

Yesterday, someone backed into my two month old vehicle. Then SU lost. Then the bill’s lost in OT. Then my partner’s idiot kid did an idiotic thing. Banner Saturday.

That was good compared to my Saturday. But I woke up on Sunday, so ours there’s that.

 

[McCuse]

Yeah, I disagree. He has possession and his knee is down before the ball is taken from him.

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Great pic, never noticed that on all the different replays.

 

[HyattsCuse]

I’m a bit depressed. What’s a realistic best case scenario?

I got you, bro.