What worries me

[Chip]

What worries me is that Marrone did not know the score of the game on the 4th down decision when Krautman missed the FG. He said the score was 9 and wanted to get it down to 6.

Is this a real quote? It can't be right? It's straight out of the Greg Robinson "I had a lot on my plate" school (actually it's much worse).

I have trouble believing he said that but I guess it would make sense why he kicked. To think that the probability of making that kick was higher than getting two yards is not good thinking. Especially given the conditions, and the fact that our FG kicking in road games has been atrocious. And all of that to hopefully play for a tie on the road? You're going to have to make a 4th and 2.5 eventually (the 2 point conversion).

Other than that and one head scratching play call (3 yard out to Wales on the short side of the field on 2nd and 25), I agree with others that this one was on the players. You saw the disparity between yards and points. 2 dropped TDs on ultimately 0 point drives. Very poor effort on tackling so often. Very frustrating.

Fumble call was junk, but other than that I had no issues with the refs. We ended up getting our short field TD off a turnover anyway just a bit later.

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[Fjoinkay]

Marrone used similar language to describe the fumble... we missed a pickup...it's a pickup we worked on all week, or something very similar to that. He's referring to the PTG miss on the blitz where Nassib is hit from behind and fumbles the ball. These types of mental mistakes keep coming. If they can clean that up and play with focus they can compete at a high level.

 

[OrangePA]

Wow. You're right. I'm now convinced. It is impossible for any coaching staff anywhere to coach up kids. All mistakes are the kids' fault. There's just no other explanation.

Right.

It was the coach's fault that Brandon Reddish dropped a pick six.

It was the coach's fault that West dropped a TD pass at a crucial point in the game.

It was the coach's fault that Krautman missed a FG he should make.

As far as the missed blocking assignments on the FG and the Nassib sack/fumble, I suspect, based upon what Marrone has said, that the team was instructed on how to deal with those situations - they were coached - and they didn't execute.

I think that sometimes many on this board - apparently you included - that don't understand the term "coaching up" that you have thrown around so easily.

"Coaching up" does not mean making the play for the player. It means putting the player in a position to make the play.

The coaching staff put the players in position to win the game yesterday - they didn't win the game.

 

[OrangePA]

You mean Bum Phillips was wrong?

Bear Bryant could take his'n and beat your'n, or he could take your'n and beat his'n.
-- Bum Phillips

I don't expect Bear Bryant like results but better discipline and execution would be welcome. That comes from the coaching staff.

A couple of things.

First. There was one Bear Bryant.

Second, Bear Bryant always had a lot of talent.

Third, when he didn't have the talent he lost. You will recall the famous episode when he brought USC to Alabama to demonstrate to his fans that the program needed to recruit African-Americans kids to continue to compete - Sam Cunningham and company badly beat the great coach that day - Bryant couldn't beat yourn's with hisn's that day because he didn't have the talent to do it.

So, please stop trying to lionize these guys or to make them what they are not. They are teachers who perform better when they have talented students. They are not magicians.

 

[kingottoiii]

Marrone used similar language to describe the fumble... we missed a pickup...it's a pickup we worked on all week, or something very similar to that. He's referring to the PTG miss on the blitz where Nassib is hit from behind and fumbles the ball. These types of mental mistakes keep coming. If they can clean that up and play with focus they can compete at a high level.

Was that even the right move to have PTG pick up that man? Pugh seemed out of position there. If he was doing what the coaches tell him then that was a mistake by the coaches.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Was that even the right move to have PTG pick up that man? Pugh seemed out of position there. If he was doing what the coaches tell him then that was a mistake by the coaches.

Not sure about Pugh on that one. I'd have to watch it again. I did see PTG out of position or drifting too close to the line before he looked to pick up the blitz. He was unable to recover or take a good angle to stop the defender and that was all she wrote.

Does anyone remember the formation on the other play where the blitz worked and Nassib's arm was going forward so it was an incomplete pass instead of a fumble? I'm thinking that was an empty backfield, but I don't remember. Credit Cincy for good timing in dialing up the blitz. Butch Davis is doing a great job at Cincy.

 

[007]

Was that even the right move to have PTG pick up that man? Pugh seemed out of position there. If he was doing what the coaches tell him then that was a mistake by the coaches.

There is no question it was PTG's responsibility. The protection was shifted to the O's right to pick up the blitz UC was showing on that side. Weakside tackle, Pugh in this case, blocks down (to his right) to pick up the DT. The running back is responsible for the first outside rusher to show, then helps in the middle.

Watch the replay, PTG looked inside first (fatal mistake) and the CB flew by him untouched.

 

[Townie72]

A couple of things.

First. There was one Bear Bryant.

Second, Bear Bryant always had a lot of talent.

Third, when he didn't have the talent he lost. You will recall the famous episode when he brought USC to Alabama to demonstrate to his fans that the program needed to recruit African-Americans kids to continue to compete - Sam Cunningham and company badly beat the great coach that day - Bryant couldn't beat yourn's with hisn's that day because he didn't have the talent to do it.

So, please stop trying to lionize these guys or to make them what they are not. They are teachers who perform better when they have talented students. They are not magicians.

A valiant effort trying to argue with those who ascribe all failures to a coach.

It's the military philosophy/tenet that the leader is ultimately responsible. I have always considered that to be brain-dead, but its convenient when you are frustrated.

 

[Orangello]

Not sure about Pugh on that one. I'd have to watch it again. I did see PTG out of position or drifting too close to the line before he looked to pick up the blitz. He was unable to recover or take a good angle to stop the defender and that was all she wrote.

Does anyone remember the formation on the other play where the blitz worked and Nassib's arm was going forward so it was an incomplete pass instead of a fumble? I'm thinking that was an empty backfield, but I don't remember. Credit Cincy for good timing in dialing up the blitz. Butch Davis is doing a great job at Cincy.

On that one PTG went to the strong side instead of the weak side and the blitzer was untouched. Cincy ran the same play both times and we missed it.

 

[kingottoiii]

There is no question it was PTG's responsibility. The protection was shifted to the O's right to pick up the blitz UC was showing on that side. Weakside tackle, Pugh in this case, blocks down (to his right) to pick up the DT. The running back is responsible for the first outside rusher to show, then helps in the middle.

Watch the replay, PTG looked inside first (fatal mistake) and the CB flew by him untouched.

Took another look at it and the CB came hard outside so even if Pugh did stay home at best he may have chipped the guy.

But why is Pugh blocking down on a pass when the rush? Shouldn't an OL man's first step not be back? Had they twisted the LB there we are easily beat (something we have struggled immensely with) as he is blocking down on the play like it is a run. So shouldn't the OL be blocking their area like normal? Trudo ended up blocking no one because we were blocking man. If they were blocking their area Trudo ends up with the guy over Mackey, Mackey with Pugh's man, and Pugh chasing the CB. You don't know who is gonna come on the blitz or if they will twist. Blocking man doesn't make sense to me when it is a 3 step drop.

It was weird because PTG looked like he was about to go out for a pass and then was like oh crap and tried to pick the guy up.

 

[Fjoinkay]

On that one PTG went to the strong side instead of the weak side and the blitzer was untouched. Cincy ran the same play both times and we missed it.

At this point in the season with a bowl game on the line I think some of these kids need to prove that they can remain focused and that they can follow the teaching.

 

[Blaster]

What worries me
1. Rush defense vs offenses with mobile qb's avg. 300+ yds a game last 2 weeks.
2. Front 7 tackling. they are letting tfl or minimal gains break loose for big gains. these first 2 go hand in hand.
3. Penalties wow they need to stop this. The next wr to get a false start misses the rest of the series and OLman is running hills at practice forever lol
4. Corners need to make the easy pick. Anderson? dropped one where he jumped the rout and reddish oh my lord let a pick 6 squirt off his pads. Diabate in the USF game(i know he is an lb but man that was a gimme)
The corners have dropped a few easy picks this year. The secondary does tackle well and they all hit hard, but its not good when they have to tackle rb's alot down field.
5. Stop throwing to J smith
6. Dont let krautman kick from a hashmark he kicks long and fairly straight but thats not good from a hash mark

 

[Orangefan1]

You know and here's the thing...Marrone has had time now to correct these mistakes and the players for whatever reason aren't responding. I like Marrone, but during the game I am looking across the field at a coach who hasn't had a recruiting class much better than ours who is having great success. Take it for what it's worth (we have improved some since Grob), but not much. I still don't think Gross makes a coaching move. If Gross and the alumni are serious about changing the landscape for our football program he would clean house and try again. What worries me also is we have two senior wide receivers, a senior qb, I mean our main weapons on offense is gone for next year. And we are still 4-5.

 

[orange79]

Right.

It was the coach's fault that Brandon Reddish dropped a pick six.

It was the coach's fault that West dropped a TD pass at a crucial point in the game.

It was the coach's fault that Krautman missed a FG he should make.

As far as the missed blocking assignments on the FG and the Nassib sack/fumble, I suspect, based upon what Marrone has said, that the team was instructed on how to deal with those situations - they were coached - and they didn't execute.

I think that sometimes many on this board - apparently you included - that don't understand the term "coaching up" that you have thrown around so easily.

"Coaching up" does not mean making the play for the player. It means putting the player in a position to make the play.

The coaching staff put the players in position to win the game yesterday - they didn't win the game.

I fully understand what coaching up means, and I also fully understand that that the coaches can't make the plays. Don't be so condescending and you wouldn't invite such venom directed towards you. Nothing, apparently in your opinion, should be blamed on the coaching staff. Others on this board believe that everything should be blamed on the coaching staff. Most impartial observers would say that the real answer lies somewhere in the middle.

So, I just want to get this on record, in no uncertain terms. NONE of yesterday's issues, nor any loss this year had ANYTHING to do with the coaching staff, correct? Simple yes or no will do. And please, none of your "I know better than you" responses. Just yes. Or no.

 

[samspann1]

When a football team exhibits the same issues -e.g. poor tackling, foolish penalties, poor ST, lack of playmakers on D - year after year, with a cast of different players, I'm more inclined to point the finger at the coaches than the players.

What's worse is that some of the issues - bad tackling, penalties and poor ST - are easily correctable

 

[007]

Took another look at it and the CB came hard outside so even if Pugh did stay home at best he may have chipped the guy.

But why is Pugh blocking down on a pass when the rush? Shouldn't an OL man's first step not be back? Had they twisted the LB there we are easily beat (something we have struggled immensely with) as he is blocking down on the play like it is a run. So shouldn't the OL be blocking their area like normal? Trudo ended up blocking no one because we were blocking man. If they were blocking their area Trudo ends up with the guy over Mackey, Mackey with Pugh's man, and Pugh chasing the CB. You don't know who is gonna come on the blitz or if they will twist. Blocking man doesn't make sense to me when it is a 3 step drop.

It was weird because PTG looked like he was about to go out for a pass and then was like oh crap and tried to pick the guy up.

To clarify, i would guess that the line protection was shifted to the right to cover the blitz that UC was showing on that side (this is a call made at the line of scrimmage once the QB/C sees the defense). In simplest terms, the blocking assignments all get shifted one man to the right. Pugh would be looking to pass block to his right, the RB (since there was no TE on this side) then must pick up the nearest outside rusher, if there is one, if not, he can release for a check off.

There is no question that the CB who blitzed was PTG responsibility. And he never even touched him.

 

[Millhouse]

What worries me is that Marrone did not know the score of the game on the 4th down decision when Krautman missed the FG. He said the score was 9 and wanted to get it down to 6. It was an 11 point game. He said that he wanted to get it down to one possession and technically 8 points is one possession but can you know the damn score? In addition what he did vs Cincy is the exact opposite of what he did vs USF. Here are the situations:

vs USF
We took over with 10:43 left and eventually had a 4th and 1 from the USF 26 yard line down 9 points. He decided to go for it and we got a TD a few plays later leaving 7:17 on the clock.

vs Cincy
We took over with 14:22 left and eventually had a 4th and 3 at the Cincy 25 yard line down 11 points. He decided to kick the FG which was missed leaving 12:11 on the clock.

They are pretty similar situations. There were 5 mins more in the Cincy situation so there is more time to catch up. But IMO when you do it vs USF and then face this situation with a FG kicker who hasn't been making kicks and it is raining, I cannot see why in the hell you kick it.

I missed the game for a wedding. I'm glad i missed another stupid 4th down call

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[NineOneSeven]

It's a mixture of player failed execution and questionable coaching calls.

Full blame is not on one side or the other. Anyone who can't realize that...well, I don't want to get banned.

 

[Crusty]

Is it possible that Marrone and staff are awful at teaching special teams?

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I think this is the issue. What experience does DM javeccoaching ST? Whatever it is does not seem to be enough.

 

[javadoc]

His name is BroylD. He sits on the bench most of the time.

God, he's our Tebow. This is so tiring.