Where Lou is coming from

[SWC75]

I caught this on ESPN yesterday and it's kind of stuck with me as I realized what was behind it.

Lou Holtz, Reece Davis and Mark May where talking about which college football players might come out early for the NFL this year. All were in agreement that a player needs to fully develop his skills in college before presenting himself to the NFL. There was talk of getting that degree, etc. May said the one exception to this was if the player's family needed the money. Then he could understand why a player would got to the NFL as soon as he could.

Lou got a very grumpy look on his face and said "This might upset some people but it's not a young man's job to support his family. He's got to look out for himself."

The more I thought about this, the more I was convinced that what Lou really meant is that a player's job is to stay in college and win games for his coach.

 

[Cusefan95]

I don't care if a kid came from one of the wealthiest families in the country - if he's going to be a first round pick with millions of guaranteed dollars coming his way, it is 1000% in his best interest to take the money. The only people that don't see it that way are hypocrites that are invested in an immoral (effectively) free labor system currently in place in college athletics - like, say, coaches like Lou Holtz.

him.

 

[rhcuse]

I think what he meant is it is not a twenty year old kid's responsibility to jump early to nfl to provide for his disadvantaged family. Mom and Dad to providefor themselves. If the kid leaves big money on the table by going in a late round this year vs. an early round next year it does no one good inthe long run. Kid needs to maximize himself to therefore be better able to provide for an extended family later.

 

[sufandu]

I think Holtz meant exactly what he said. I think he believes it's in everyone's best interest to stay for 4 years. His opinion is akin to the college professor that told a class I was in that "College is not about getting a job. It's about becoming a well rounded human being." Of course he taught a subject (social sciences) that doesn't lead to a career. I think it's the old school of thought regarding college, and Holtz genuinely believes it. I don't necessarily think he's right, but I think he was being honest.

 

[storange]

What Lou really means is that Im an idiot.

 

[OburgOrange]

Neverth likedth him

 

[Marsh01]

Neverth likedth him

Hes a complete douche. As is mark may

 

[retro44]

I think what he meant is it is not a twenty year old kid's responsibility to jump early to nfl to provide for his disadvantaged family. Mom and Dad to providefor themselves. If the kid leaves big money on the table by going in a late round this year vs. an early round next year it does no one good inthe long run. Kid needs to maximize himself to therefore be better able to provide for an extended family later.

really? so every kid who declares early will become a first round pick.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364/index.htm this a very good article on why 78% NFL players go bankrupt or are in severe financial trouble with-in two years of leaving the league

 

[Bayside44]

I caught this on ESPN yesterday and it's kind of stuck with me as I realized what was behind it.

Lou Holtz, Reece Davis and Mark May where talking about which college football players might come out early for the NFL this year. All were in agreement that a player needs to fully develop his skills in college before presenting himself to the NFL. There was talk of getting that degree, etc. May said the one exception to this was if the player's family needed the money. Then he could understand why a player would got to the NFL as soon as he could.

Lou got a very grumpy look on his face and said "This might upset some people but it's not a young man's job to support his family. He's got to look out for himself."

The more I thought about this, the more I was convinced that what Lou really meant is that a player's job is to stay in college and win games for his coach.

A 22 year shouldn't have to pay for people older than him or be responsible for those younger (minus any kids thy might have)

 

[SmilinBob]

Ask Lou if he ever changed jobs? Why didn't he stay with the kids he recruited? I understand about every team he coached went on probation but still, how can somebody like that tell someone how to run their lives when he does just the opposite?

 

[JackBauer44]

I think Holtz meant exactly what he said. I think he believes it's in everyone's best interest to stay for 4 years. His opinion is akin to the college professor that told a class I was in that "College is not about getting a job. It's about becoming a well rounded human being." Of course he taught a subject (social sciences) that doesn't lead to a career. I think it's the old school of thought regarding college, and Holtz genuinely believes it. I don't necessarily think he's right, but I think he was being honest.

Hey now. Let's not go around throwing the social sciences card. They do lead to careers, and sometimes great careers. I have a Bachelor of Social Sciences that led me to a great paying job making money that some people don't make until being 10 years out of college (I've only been out for 4). Like any major, you just need to know what skills you've gained from the major and know how to market yourself. My academia rant has no ended.

 

[sufandu]

Hey now. Let's not go around throwing the social sciences card. They do lead to careers, and sometimes great careers. I have a Bachelor of Social Sciences that led me to a great paying job making money that some people don't make until being 10 years out of college (I've only been out for 4). Like any major, you just need to know what skills you've gained from the major and know how to market yourself. My academia rant has no ended.

You did an excellent job of missing my point. I didn't mean to put down the social sciences. You can get a career in the social sciences, but it is not a career oriented field of study the same way that business or engineering majors are, and that is often reflected in the attitude of the instructors. When you're in a career oriented program, it is constantly pointed out how what you are doing is important regarding getting a job and being proficient at that job. Most social science instructors are not concerned with preparing you for a specific career. They more often emphasize the importance of the accumulation of information, understanding, and thought with regard to living life.

My main point was that the attitude of going to school to become a well rounded educated individual with little concern for how one will earn an income is an old school approach that I think Lou Holtz shares and was exactly what my Western Civilization instructor thought. It was an opinion I felt he had no place emphasizing, given he was a career academic and would not be paying one dime of my tuition for me.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

A 22 year shouldn't have to pay for people older than him or be responsible for those younger (minus any kids thy might have)

Exactly what he is trying to say, people reading way too much into this stuff. AGAIN.

 

[cuseinchina]

A 22 year shouldn't have to pay for people older than him or be responsible for those younger (minus any kids thy might have)

In some societies this is the primary goal and obligation in life. With our welfare and social security system that is not the case anymore in the US - but still is for much of the world. Pluses and minuses to all of that of course.

 

[Bayside44]

In some societies this is the primary goal and obligation in life. With our welfare and social security system that is not the case anymore in the US - but still is for much of the world. Pluses and minuses to all of that of course.

Lou is talking about a bunch of people getting paid off a kid getting a cup of coffee on Sundays.

 

[storange]

A 22 year shouldn't have to pay for people older than him or be responsible for those younger (minus any kids thy might have)

He doesn't have to.....he does because a specific parent or guardian means something to him.