where was lally's response to waters article

[kingtidge]

"Syracuse" in this context = the Chancellor? The AD? Both?

Dasher has hinted it's Kent AND other BOT members... so straight from the top.

There's plenty of blame to go around on how this was mishandled and the chancellor and BOT seem like they should shoulder some of the blame as well.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Dasher has hinted it's Kent AND other BOT members... so straight from the top.

There's plenty of blame to go around on how this was mishandled and the chancellor and BOT seems like they can take some of the blame as well.

There’s no hint. A board member is discussed in the title of the thread.

 

[kingtidge]

There’s no hint. A board member is discussed in the title of the thread.

Yes, but he posted "...other members of the BOT, not just Kent." i.e. it's multiple BOT members.

 

[pearl31]

ok so redo of my initial question-
how likely is it to have AW, chancellor, Lally, Wildhack sit down and talk?

 

[kingtidge]

ok so redo of my initial question-
how likely is it to have AW, chancellor, Lally, Wildhack sit down and talk?

That's a question for dasher ... but his quick response from the other day hinted that the prognosis may not be good for that.

 

[BillSU]

Syracuse doesn't want him as a donor. Dasher is trying to open the lines of communication so that the parties involved can work it out. But as of right now, Syracuse doesn't want Adam Weitsman involved with Syracuse University Athletics.

WHY??!!! I have never recognized the reason for this and it has never been explained. Adam Weitsman
could be a very important piece of the donation group at SU. In fact he would be the biggest donor. I never understood the problem with Syverud.

Does he think the school is better than AW? Does he think AW donating money is wrong because AW is a lowly scrap metal dealer? AW didn't get where he is by being stupid. Could someone explain what in the hell the problem is?

Dasher, could you lend your expertise here?

You have:

AW - Donator billionaire

J Lally- Millionaire donator

K Syverud- Chancellor

Unless KS is a being a complete ass, I would think he would welcome AW and his money. Does KS think SU is above AW on his high horse because of the business AW is in and has made a great person out of himself his businesses including the scrap metal, restaurants, community? At some point you have to step back and look at the entire situation and move forward with AW involved.

This must be the only reason I see why the University has a problem with AW. But when do you forgive a man who made a mistake and atoned for that mistake, or do you never forgive and creep along afraid that AW may make the University look bad for his mistake? I think this is the KS hang up. So, let a man who wants to help us financially frustrated? Until I hear differently, I am assuming this is the KS understanding. And you can put as many thumbs down as you want on this post. I am for forgiving AW if that is even the problem.

Wikipedia bio:

Adam Weitsman
Born	Adam Joel Weitsman Owego, New York, U.S.
Alma mater	Owego Free Academy Long Island University
Occupation(s)	Entrepreneur, philanthropist
Spouse	Kim Weitsman (m. 2006)
Children	3[1]
Awards	Platts Industry Leadership Award AMM Scrap Company of the Year Award
Website	Official website

Adam Joel Weitsman is an American entrepreneur. He is the owner and chief executive officer (CEO) of Upstate Shredding – Weitsman Recycling, a scrap metal processing company headquartered in Owego, New York.

Early life​

Weitsman was born and raised in Owego, New York.[2] He developed an interest in art collecting early in life after his father and grandfather discovered two early American stoneware bottles during an excavation project in their scrap yard in 1980.[3] Weitsman began collecting the 19th-century stoneware and owned 60 pieces by 1982.[2]
In 1986, Weitsman graduated from Owego Free Academy. Weitsman majored in banking at the C.W. Post Campus of Long Island University in Brookville.[2] In 1989, Weitsman worked at a Manhattan art gallery, Hirschl & Adler Folk, and opened the American Folk Art Gallery in Greenwich Village in 1991.[2][4] In 1995, Weitsman became vice president of Ben Weitsman & Son, a scrap processing company owned by his family before eventually purchasing it from his father.[2]

Career​

After losing his sister to cancer in the early 1990s, Weitsman quit a career in New York City and returned to his hometown to the family scrap metal business. Here, he built up an interest in the processing side of scrap metal recycling, which led to the foundation of Upstate Shredding.[5] In 1997, Weitsman opened Upstate Shredding at the Tioga County Industrial Park in Owego.[6][4][7] Weitman was sentenced for check kiting in 2004, paid a $1 million fine and served 8 months in prison.[8] In 2005, Weitsman acquired Upstate Shredding's sister company, Ben Weitsman & Son, Inc., after his father retired[6] and acquired an 11-acre scrapyard in Solvay, New York from Peter Matlow in December 2009.[9] Between 2012 and 2016, Weitsman acquired a scrap yard in New Castle, Pennsylvania,[7] a port facility in Albany,[6] and Empire Recycling in Watertown, New York.[10] By the end of 2016, they were collectively known as Upstate Shredding – Weitsman Recycling.[6][11] That year, Weitsman won the Platts Industry Leadership Award and the AMM Scrap Company of the Year award for the second year in a row.[12][13] He was awarded Scrap Company of the Year by American Metal Market in 2015 and 2016.[14]
Weitsman and his wife, Kim Weitsman, have invested in real estate in Skaneateles, New York.
In 2010, Kim purchased the Krebs restaurant, which was founded in 1899.[15] The restaurant re-opened in the summer of 2014.[11] Weitsman has supported local philanthropic efforts through personal funding and this restaurant.[15] In 2015, Weitsman and his wife donated the restaurant's profits to 16 regional nonprofit organizations.[16][17] In 2018, Weitsman began construction on a Mexican restaurant, Elephant and the Dove, in addition to development of a sushi bar in Owego.[18][19] The restaurant opened on April 11, 2019.[20][21] In 2021, Weitsman announced a collaboration with Rise N Shine restaurant owner, Danielle Mecuri, for a new Italian restaurant in East Syracuse.[22]
In 2021, he started Viridium LLC,[23] a cryptocurrency mining company.[24][25] As of 2022, he is a billionaire.[26]
Weitsman is involved philanthropically. He has a collection of 19th-century American stoneware which he has been donating to the New York State Museum in Albany since 1998.[3] In 2019, Weitsman donated $100,000 for the renovation and expansion of the Rescue Mission's Clarence L. Jordan Food Service and Culinary Education Center.[27] In 2019, Weitsman donated $10,000 to Vera House, a non-profit tackling domestic and sexual violence abuse in Central New York.[28] In 2020, Weitsman offered a college campus he acquired to any federal, state, or local government agency to set up a base camp to help find a cure for the Coronavirus.[29]​

 

[Blanko97]

Don't be mad, be hopeful that all parties will be willing to sit down and talk about their issues.

Nah, im a millennial and I need to be mad about something or else i dont feel important.

 

[Cusefan0307]

There’s no hint. A board member is discussed in the title of the thread.

Lally is a board member.

 

[dasher]

I like Waters but I specifically remember him, and Axe and Donna and the rest saying we were being "disrespected being projected at 11th in the ACC preseason ranks". With this talent blah blah tourney or bubble at least.

He's just as much of a problem drinking the koolaid, living in the past and in the CNY bubble. Where was his top notch reporting over the summer? Alot of Captain Hindsights spraying stuff in social media and writing articles now.

If I'm Lally or anyone that gave big dollars, I'm going to be on Autry and JW's butts and getting after Waters too. Or I'm AW looking to get back in the game even. Where was the heads up or even a by the way we might be in trouble.

It was all fun and games this offseason reporting about what was happening on the hill yet no one thought to make a phone call and see what these SEC schools were doing or paying. And now they drop the hammer in late February when they finally think it's safe to hammer people in this space.

What? If Lally or anyone else tried to get on Waters butt, he would laugh them out of the room. He doesn't work for them. What are you talking about?

 

[dasher]

That's a question for dasher ... but his quick response from the other day hinted that the prognosis may not be good for that.

I am trying as hard as I can. If I was a betting man, and I am, I would bet against it ever happening. When the time is right, I will fill everyone in on what has happened so far.

 

[Chip]

how likely is it Weitsman comes around, plays by the rules, becomes legit donor?

Does he even want to in a post JB program?

 

[FloridaCuse]

Chancellor Syverud's problem may not have anything to do with AW as a person, his background, or his history. He may just not want to take ANY chance of having the NCAA sniffing around SU regarding ANY possible violations that could involve AW in the past, present or future. Something about AW's SU activities in the past may have scared Kent off and we may never know what or why. And he may never change his mind.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Chancellor Syverud's problem may not have anything to do with AW as a person, his background, or his history. He may just not want to take ANY chance of having the NCAA sniffing around SU regarding ANY possible violations that could involve AW in the past, present or future. Something about AW's SU activities in the past may have scared Kent off and we may never know what or why. And he may never change his mind.

If the ncaa ever comes sniffing around , SU should tell them to effph off like the HEAVY majority of other schools have done in the past . Getting clowned by the ncaa years ago while SU “played ball” with them was the dumbest thing to do.

 

[dasher]

Does he even want to in a post JB program?

I talked to him and I believe he does.

 

[dasher]

Chancellor Syverud's problem may not have anything to do with AW as a person, his background, or his history. He may just not want to take ANY chance of having the NCAA sniffing around SU regarding ANY possible violations that could involve AW in the past, present or future. Something about AW's SU activities in the past may have scared Kent off and we may never know what or why. And he may never change his mind.

That is a possibility.

 

[orangefog]

I am trying as hard as I can. If I was a betting man, and I am, I would bet against it ever happening. When the time is right, I will fill everyone in on what has happened so far.

Thanks for your efforts here. It must be really frustrating.

 

[Red2003]

What? If Lally or anyone else tried to get on Waters butt, he would laugh them out of the room. He doesn't work for them. What are you talking about?

I’m not saying he works for them and I’m not talking about it in the context of him barging in his office yelling at him.

I’m saying only 6 months ago there was no problem to report on with NIL. It was all sunshine and roses and we had what we needed to get to the tourney. Now it’s the opposite.

I think they all want Syracuse to succeed, why was in not possible that the entirety of our media failed to see how far we had been left in the dust and say something before now. I mean surely Waters or someone must’ve been able to compare what we’re doing to what they’re doing and see the hole we’re in.

I just feel like we’re all being gaslighted to the max right not just by the university and hoops program but also our own media.

 

[kingtidge]

I’m not saying he works for them and I’m not talking about it in the context of him barging in his office yelling at him.

I’m saying only 6 months ago there was no problem to report on with NIL. It was all sunshine and roses and we had what we needed to get to the tourney. Now it’s the opposite.

I think they all want Syracuse to succeed, why was in not possible that the entirety of our media failed to see how far we had been left in the dust and say something before now. I mean surely Waters or someone must’ve been able to compare what we’re doing to what they’re doing and see the hole we’re in.

I just feel like we’re all being gaslighted to the max right not just by the university and hoops program but also our own media.

The alternative take is the program has been run poorly from the Chancellor/BOT on down.

There is a PR campaign underway now to convince the public otherwise, is all, since we're going to rubberstamp prior poor decisions for another season.

 

[Cusefan69]

To me, given the situation, all parties should pull the discussion out of social media until matters are resolved one way or another. Twitter/X sucks and is one of many causes of the social decay and decline in our country. Yep and you kids get off my lawn unless I am paying you to mow it. I get it, I am older and I am sure there are some good things but back in the day having a disagreement and meeting to resolve it sure seems more effective than chicken schit 30 character messages that often confused or misinterpreted.

 

[dasher]

I’m not saying he works for them and I’m not talking about it in the context of him barging in his office yelling at him.

I’m saying only 6 months ago there was no problem to report on with NIL. It was all sunshine and roses and we had what we needed to get to the tourney. Now it’s the opposite.

I think they all want Syracuse to succeed, why was in not possible that the entirety of our media failed to see how far we had been left in the dust and say something before now. I mean surely Waters or someone must’ve been able to compare what we’re doing to what they’re doing and see the hole we’re in.

I just feel like we’re all being gaslighted to the max right not just by the university and hoops program but also our own media.

Do you think Syracuse basketball or Syracuse athletics told the media how short they were in NIL? Do you really believe that? They kept this stuff close to the vest. They didn't want anyone, rivals, media, fans to know how bad it was. How inept they were. The information just wasn't out there.

 

[dasher]

To me, given the situation, all parties should pull the discussion out of social media until matters are resolved one way or another. Twitter/X sucks and is one of many causes of the social decay and decline in our country. Yep and you kids get off my lawn unless I am paying you to mow it. I get it, I am older and I am sure there are some good things but back in the day having a disagreement and meeting to resolve it sure seems more effective than chicken schit 30 character messages that often confused or misinterpreted.

The problem is that the school doesn't even do that. They have refused to talk about the AW situation. To give, if you will, their side of the story. It hasn't served them well.

 

[Red2003]

The alternative take is the program has been run poorly from the Chancellor/BOT on down.

There is a PR campaign underway now to convince the public otherwise, is all, since we're going to rubberstamp the poor decisions for another season.

Newhouse is a hell of a school. At least the PR campaign will probably be well run. Could be an Onion headline.

 

[Red2003]

Do you think Syracuse basketball or Syracuse athletics told the media how short they were in NIL? Do you really believe that? They kept this stuff close to the vest. They didn't want anyone, rivals, media, fans to know how bad it was. How inept they were. The information just wasn't out there.

That’s fair. Just hard to stomach. I do think there must’ve been writing on the wall though

 

[FloridaCuse]

The problem is that the school doesn't even do that. They have refused to talk about the AW situation. To give, if you will, their side of the story. It hasn't served them well.

Dasher, it seems like KS took his ball & went home. Never to bring it out again. And, unfortunately in the way it was done, the then head coach was part of the fallout. Not done in a measured thoughtful way where some real thinking could be done to determine what was best for the future of the BB program

 

[GoSU96]

The whole thing is a giant clown show.